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Io Zeno · 10-15-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

If there isn't some Grecian looking writing/stuff on the cup, I'm not buying!

And they will really make it light and sweet when you ask.

Taco Rubio · 10-15-2008, 04:50 PM

this thread was on the verge of delivering, and got fagged up

Surreal Farber · 10-15-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooz Pascale

Um..let's see. How about Lincoln? Truman? Bill Clinton [Hope Arkansas]...to name a few.

So long as the candidate seems honest, honorable and agrees with me on the issues, I see nothing wrong with a small town hick being president. In fact, all othe rthings being equal, I would prefer a small town hick to a snarky, snobby, psuedo intellectual urbanite.

Sooz

Wasn't Clinton a Rhodes Scholar?

Yeah... Yeah... $2 and a latte short. Hey, I was working today!

Colette Meiji · 10-15-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

Wasn't Clinton a Rhodes Scholar?

Yeah... Yeah... $2 and a latte short. Hey, I was working today!

Yes Clinton Was Rhodes scholar

He also spent time studying at Oxford.

Colette Meiji · 10-15-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lo Jacobs

But Starbucks isn't elitist. It's at the mall (and the bank, and the supermarket, and the bookstore) -- anyway, where regular people shop!

Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf -- now that's elitist.

YouTube - Lewis Black Starbucks Hillarious!!!!

Colette Meiji · 10-15-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Starbucks started the latte trend, and yeah, it still considered elitist coffee - now Dunkin Donuts, that is what the regular people drink.

YouTube - Coffee

Briar Bing · 10-15-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

YouTube - Lewis Black Starbucks Hillarious!!!!

Hehe, I can't recall what town it was but I once ate at a Waffle House and we could see another Waffle House sign from our table, across the road and down the street a ways.

Two scattereds, one smothered, both covered!

Cocoanut Koala · 10-15-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Also, I'm sorry Coco, but when you compare what Clinton achieved, scholastically and professionally by her age, one gets far more credit than the other.

It's not my intention to compare Palin to Clinton.

It is only my intention to point out that she deserves credit for what she has achieved as well.

She, too, made of herself more than she began with, through diligence, drive, achievement, ambition, and all those good things (minus the extensive travel). At her age, Clinton was governor of Arkansas.

(I believe her approval ratings in her state were much higher than his in Arkansas, as well.)

It's my intention to state that writing off all that as nothing at all but "ruthless" ambition is unfair and inaccurate.

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 10-15-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

And as an Manhattan-ite I take the slur that "elite" has become personally as well. My advice, Sooz? Suck it up.

I didn't realize that people living in Manhattan identified so readily with the term "elite."

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 10-15-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi

To paraphrase Jon Stewart: "I don't want someone like me to run the country, I want someone elite, I want that person to be so much more educated and intelligent than me that his head should be three times the size of mine".

As Cristiano, for example, pointed out Palin is intentionally portraying a snobbery: it is one that sneers at the urbane, at the not like "us". I don't think that either snobbery is morally superior, indeed both are divisive. However, although one can choose to dumb yourself down if politically expedient (as George W. Bush of Yale and Harvard had done) it is much harder to "smart yourself up". Palin cannot feign long statesmanship, nor can she feign constitutional scholarship, nor war or legislative experience. If she is well educated, she isn't demonstrating it. I will say that it does take a good bit of intelligence to well pander to people's baser natures but if I'm correct, that intelligence could be so much better applied.

One of the first things that impressed me about Obama way back when he was one of eight(?) democratic hopefuls was that when asked good question he would ponder it and give an erudite answer. This was easier to do when not so prominent on the national stage. I actually don't remember a politician acting like that in my lifetime. It is behavior that I expect from my physicians, attorneys, and even my electrician if the situation requires it. To be sure, Obama talks "more like me" because I'm an academic type but I like to think that I am choosing him because he portrays himself as a careful thinker.

Is that snobbiness if I think him far better qualified for the position than I would be?

No, that's you deciding for yourself who you think would make the best president.

Putting down people for where they come from, their culture, how they talk - and saying they are stupid because of it - would be elitist.

And damned if I'm one that's gonna sit here and say it is only right and good that people educated at Harvard or similar are the smartest guys around or the only ones deserving of public office.

And yes, there is that reverse snobbery as well. I've experienced both types of snobbery.

I'm not one, though, who wants someone smarter than I am in public office. I want someone who knows what they are doing in public office, and who's relatively honest.

I don't want someone smarter than I am to give me an appendectomy, either. I want someone who knows what they are doing in the operating room, and who's relatively conscientious.

I don't need someone who is smarter than I am to fix my car, either. Just someone who knows more about cars than I do.

For one thing, depending on how smart one is, it gets to be a pretty small pool of people you would want to be in public office if that were a requirement.

In addition, there are qualifications that rank higher than education to me (and even rank higher than I.Q.).

As far as Obama goes - it takes but one phrase to wreck any notion of urbane and erudite, for me. "Clinging to guns and religion," for example.

Because attitude counts.

Obama talks more like I do as well, but that ALWAYS gets smashed for me the minute someone says something like that.

And you know, educated people can be some of the most insular around. Since when is insular a good thing?

coco

Io Zeno · 10-15-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

It's not my intention to compare Palin to Clinton.

It is only my intention to point out that she deserves credit for what she has achieved as well.

She, too, made of herself more than she began with, through diligence, drive, achievement, ambition, and all those good things (minus the extensive travel). At her age, Clinton was governor of Arkansas.

(I believe her approval ratings in her state were much higher than his in Arkansas, as well.)

It's my intention to state that writing off all that as nothing at all but "ruthless" ambition is unfair and inaccurate.

coco

I disagree, strongly. I read how she got that first seat as mayor, by running a GOP backed divisive campaign over issues like abortion in a tiny town more concerned with the state of the roads.

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

I didn't realize that people living in Manhattan identified so readily with the term "elite."

coco

We don't but in case you didn't notice the GOP has been painting NYC, LA and any other major city that doesn't vote for them as a bunch of elitist assholes who aren't the "common man", even as they are made up of an old boy network of guys like Bush and Cheney.

Io Zeno · 10-15-2008, 07:55 PM

And yes, I DO beleive in compare and contrast or else the further dumbing down and celebration of mediocrity means this country is TOAST.

Palin's illustrious acedemic and post academic career:

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Palin attended several colleges and universities. In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. She then attended Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.

In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV and KTVA-TV in Anchorage, Alaska, and for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman as a sports reporter. She also helped in her husband’s commercial fishing family business.

Sarah Palin was elected twice to the city council of Wasilla, in 1992 and 1995. Palin says she entered politics because she was concerned that revenue from a new Wasilla sales tax would not be spent wisely.

She ran for Wasilla city council in 1992, at age 28, against John Hartrick, a local telephone company worker, on a promise to bring "my progressive, competitive attitude" to the government. She won 530 votes to John Hartrick’s 310. On the council, she successfully opposed a measure to curtail the hours at Wasilla's bars by two hours, which surprised Hartrick because she was then a member of a church that advocated abstinence from alcohol. After serving on the city council for three years, she ran for reelection against R’nita Rogers in 1995, winning 413 votes to Rogers' 185.

Palin served two terms (1996–2002) as mayor of Wasilla. At the conclusion of Palin's tenure as mayor in 2002, the town had about 6,300 residents. In 1996, Palin defeated three-term incumbent mayor John Stein, on a platform targeting wasteful spending and high taxes, and Stein says that she introduced abortion, gun rights, and term limits as campaign issues. Although the election was a nonpartisan blanket primary, the state Republican Party ran advertisements on her behalf.

Bill Clinton:

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With the aid of scholarships, Clinton attended the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., receiving a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service (B.S.F.S.) degree in 1968. He spent the summer of 1967, the summer before his senior year, working as an intern for Arkansas Senator J. William Fulbright. While in college he became a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa. Clinton was also a member of Youth Order of DeMolay, but he never actually became a Freemason. He is a member of Kappa Kappa Psi's National Honorary Band Fraternity, Inc.

Upon graduation he won a Rhodes Scholarship to University College, Oxford where he studied Government. He developed an interest in rugby union, playing at Oxford and later for the Little Rock Rugby club in Arkansas. While at Oxford he also participated in Vietnam War protests, including organizing an October 1969 Moratorium event.[15] In later life he admitted to smoking cannabis at the university, but claimed that he "never inhaled".

After Oxford, Clinton attended Yale Law School and obtained a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree in 1973.

Leader of Texas McGovern Presidential Campaign of 1972

During Yale, Clinton took a job with the McGovern campaign and was assigned to lead McGovern's effort in Texas. He spent considerable time in Dallas, Texas, at the McGovern campaign's local headquarters on Lemmon Avenue where he had an office. There, Clinton worked with Ron Kirk, who was later elected mayor of Dallas twice, future governor of Texas Ann Richards, and then unknown television director (and future filmmaker) Steven Spielberg.

Governor of Arkansas

After graduating from Yale Law School, Clinton returned to Arkansas and became a professor at the University of Arkansas. A year later, he ran for the House of Representatives in 1974. The incumbent, John Paul Hammerschmidt, defeated Clinton by a 52% to 48% margin. Without opposition in the general election, Clinton was elected Arkansas Attorney General in 1976.

Clinton was elected Governor of Arkansas in 1978, making him the youngest governor in the country at age thirty-two

Richie Waves · 10-15-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

It's not my intention to compare Palin to Clinton.

It is only my intention to point out that she deserves credit for what she has achieved as well.

She, too, made of herself more than she began with, through diligence, drive, achievement, ambition, and all those good things

It wasn't "good things" that got her where she is.

Io Zeno · 10-15-2008, 08:00 PM

Blah blah blah and then McCain got desperate and tapped some Governor from a State with the population of a borough in Manhattan because the far right loons loved her.

Ramonna Villota · 10-15-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Blah blah blah and then McCain got desperate and tapped some Governor from a State with the population of a borough in Manhattan because the far right loons loved her.

yes and it worked...... McCain is a Liberal repug he needed the base now he has it..

Without the base it would be a landslide (still may be a landslide but far worse without the base) with her he can pull close or better.

Redhead · 10-15-2008, 08:07 PM

Close = President Obama.

Just sayin

Ramonna Villota · 10-15-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redhead

Close = President Obama.

Just sayin

Perhaps and most likely but (Nader

) ( god i love Nader)

If it comes down to Ohio or something like Voter Fraud issue will be thrown in by either party. Who will get in then will be savaged enough to make his term false in thought by the other side.

Cocoanut Koala · 10-15-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I disagree, strongly. I read how she got that first seat as mayor, by running a GOP backed divisive campaign over issues like abortion in a tiny town more concerned with the state of the roads.

We don't but in case you didn't notice the GOP has been painting NYC, LA and any other major city that doesn't vote for them as a bunch of elitist assholes who aren't the "common man", even as they are made up of an old boy network of guys like Bush and Cheney.

Wait now.

She won an election in her town. How does that make her any worse than anyone else who won an election in their town?

Or is it the fact that she is GOP backed that makes her not count?

Or her position on abortion?

By those terms, the only people whose achievements, whatever they are, can be admired are by definition Democrats, backed by Democrats, and Democrats with a particular position on abortion.

Anything else would be divisive. Or am I misunderstanding you?

The thing that I noticed was the attack on Palin for all the things she is. As far as politicians hoping to appear as just regular people, that hardly originated with her, and is most certainly not limited to Republicans.

If I LIKE that Clinton came from a small town in Arkansas, you know, I get to like that. And there's not a thing anyone can do about it.

There's nothing wrong with people to have representatives who are like them.

coco

Io Zeno · 10-15-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Wait now.

She won an election in her town. How does that make her any worse than anyone else who won an election in their town?

Or is it the fact that she is GOP backed that makes her not count?

Or her position on abortion?

By those terms, the only people whose achievements, whatever they are, can be admired are by definition Democrats, backed by Democrats, and Democrats with a particular position on abortion.

The thing that I noticed was the attack on Palin for all the things she is. As far as politicians hoping to appear as just regular people, that hardly originated with her, and is most certainly not limited to Republicans.

If I LIKE that Clinton came from a small town in Arkansas, you know, I get to like that. And there's not a thing anyone can do about it.

There's nothing wrong with people to have representatives who are like them.

coco

coco

You said she wasn't ruthlessly ambitious. I say she owes her success to that, the State GOP, being a card carrying member of the religious right and dumb ass luck.

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