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View Poll Results: Your position on Israel
Israel should be backed and supported 15 68.18%
Israel should lose their nation status deferring to Arab nations. 7 31.82%
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:50 PM   #201 (permalink)
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It wasn't protected for Mero and he didn't go anywhere near the extremes that Rebecca has.
Mero's banning had a Lobbyist attached.

Potentially two under the same name ...
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:54 PM   #203 (permalink)
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Mero's banning had a Lobbyist attached.

Potentially two under the same name ...

I was assured by both the Lobbyist and Cris that that had nothing to do with Mero's banning and that it was all hate speech and it was that one post and not a conglomeration of what he had posted.

I don't think that one post has come anywhere near several of Rebecca's in this thread.

Honestly I don't want Rebecca banned. I want Mero freed. And I'm a little stunned at the lack of consistency.
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:14 PM   #204 (permalink)
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Under normal circumstances, yeah.

But here, naw, we're not talking about "diversity", we're talking about trolling, and racist trolling at that.

(I'm using this word in repeat of others)

The anti-muslim thing really doesn't float my boat. At all.

You can spin it as anti-muslim or you can realize it's anti-terrorist-muslim, which dominates the news in the Middle-East and back a few short years centered on NYC. The simple reality is there are NO Middle Eastern countries who are backing Israel and even the countries who are assisting anti-terrorism publicy still arrest their own citizens for just for visiting Israel.


If you pay attention there are many very popular muslim leaders in the Middle East advocating the destruction of Israel, taking over of the entire world and imposing Muslim Law. We just had one of them speaking at the UN a couple weeks ago, while Larry King asks him how his children are doing.

It's just reality no matter what politically correct things one might say.

As Geert Wilder said to the effect, "you can't expect the moderate Islamic people to stop them."

No matter how we might want to be liberal about this and try to appease them, we have to look at history and realize that "appeasement," has had horrid consequences.

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It wasn't protected for Mero and he didn't go anywhere near the extremes that Rebecca has.

I haven't gone to any extremes. I've defended myself from the flames and accusations from 30 gang-turf lunatics though.
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I was assured by both the Lobbyist and Cris that that had nothing to do with Mero's banning and that it was all hate speech and it was that one post and not a conglomeration of what he had posted.
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I find this very hard to beleive.
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You can spin it as anti-muslim or you can realize it's anti-terrorist-muslim, which dominates the news in the Middle-East and back a few short years centered on NYC. The simple reality is there are NO Middle Eastern countries who are backing Israel and even a the countries who are assisting anti-terrorism publicy still arrest their own citizens for just for visiting Israel.


If you pay attention there are many very popular muslim leaders in the Middle East advocating the destruction of Israel, taking over of the entire world and imposing Muslim Law. We just had one of them speaking at the UN a couple weeks ago, while Larry King asks him how his children are doing.

It's just reality no matter what politically correct things one might say.

As Geert Wilder said to the effect, "you can't expect the moderate Islamic people to stop them."

No matter how we might want to be liberal about this and try to appease them, we have to look at history and realize that "appeasement," has had horrid consequences.

This is not true for Egypt and Jordan, both of whom have peace accords with Israel. They don't support Israel, but neither do they participate in the activities against it.
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I find this very hard to beleive.

so did I and I was verbally spanked for it when I said so.
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As Geert Wilder said to the effect, "you can't expect the moderate Islamic people to stop them."
I heard Geert Wilders and Filip Dewinter speak irl.

Guy's a rabid nutcase. He has some good points, and I agree with the meaning behind most of his speeches. But the meaning gets drowned in populism.

I miss the good old days when the right-wing wasn't populist yet. Yeah, it guarantees the vote of the uneducated masses - but at what cost? The New Right is hardly better than the left wing, afraid to insult the unemployed because it would cost the support of their biggest audience.

So i don't see why you would try to prove your point with the words of someone like WilderS.
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This is not true for Egypt and Jordan, both of whom have peace accords with Israel. They don't support Israel, but neither do they participate in the activities against it.
Actually most Arab nations and the vast majority of non-arab Muslim ones do not actively act against Israel.

There are roughly 1 BILLION Muslims. Obviously the fraction that are involved in Fanatical terrorism is proportionally very tiny.
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This is not true for Egypt and Jordan, both of whom have peace accords with Israel. They don't support Israel, but neither do they participate in the activities against it.

You mean officially. Yet their are still many terrorist int those countries and the very suggestion of them supporting Israel would cause disaster.

The potential for a World Nuclear War hangs in the balance and anyone ignoring that, are like kids playing in a burning house, to wrapped up in their play, to see the impending danger.
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The simple reality is there are NO Middle Eastern countries who are backing Israel and even the countries who are assisting anti-terrorism publicy still arrest their own citizens for just for visiting Israel.
Show me your source for both these claims. Again, I strongly suspect you're, for lack of a better term at this point "making total shit up".

When you can't, let me know, and I'll bother to google for 5 minutes and show you that you are a liar. Then you'll change subjects again. You're such a troll.
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:39 PM   #214 (permalink)
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So i don't see why you would try to prove your point with the words of someone like WilderS.

I am not going to judge if Wilder is exaggerating dangers in his country or europe or the US, but that statement is just commen sense.

People with guns, bombs and an atttiude that death for the fanatical and lunatic cause for ultimate violent take-over, leads to heaven---NO moderate people will have a chance in stopping them.

You think they can have a nice little tea party and convince them to stop the terrorism?
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:42 PM   #215 (permalink)
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Actually most Arab nations and the vast majority of non-arab Muslim ones do not actively act against Israel.

There are roughly 1 BILLION Muslims. Obviously the fraction that are involved in Fanatical terrorism is proportionally very tiny.

Dream on. So far there has been Nuclear deterrent.

All it takes is one lunatic spark.

even 27% so far of the poll here wants Israel to go bye bye


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Cris doesn't have time to follow every thread and if someone is acting out of line, report them. His words.

I don't report anyone nor ask anyone to be banned. But I don't complain if Cris wants to give a temp ban to someone, and if you think he is being unfair, maybe you should report the offender.

I have this one on ignore.
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even 27% so far of the poll here wants Israel to go bye bye
Because 18 people is an awesome and accurate sampling size!
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You mean officially. Yet their are still many terrorist int those countries and the very suggestion of them supporting Israel would cause disaster.

The potential for a World Nuclear War hangs in the balance and anyone ignoring that, are like kids playing in a burning house, to wrapped up in their play, to see the impending danger.

The potential for a world nuclear war has hung in the balance since such a thing was possible. It is no greater today than it has been in any other time.

However, hating all muslims becuase of it is racist and wrong, IMHO.
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even 27% so far of the poll here wants Israel to go bye bye
I answered that way to fuck up your shit poll.
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Does anyone else find it odd that Rebecca never once posted in the Politics section, for the first 11 months after she joined, and that 259 of her 269 total posts have been in this section - all since 10-04-08?

Sorry, that seems like a concerted effort, rather than just expressing different views, to me.
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You mean officially. Yet their are still many terrorist int those countries and the very suggestion of them supporting Israel would cause disaster.

The potential for a World Nuclear War hangs in the balance and anyone ignoring that, are like kids playing in a burning house, to wrapped up in their play, to see the impending danger.

There are fanatics and terrorists right here in the good ole us of a. Some of them have advocated killing presidential candidate Barak Obama at Republican rallies. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Show me your source for both these claims. Again, I strongly suspect you're, for lack of a better term at this point "making total shit up".

When you can't, let me know, and I'll bother to google for 5 minutes and show you that you are a liar. Then you'll change subjects again. You're such a troll.

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The potential for a world nuclear war has hung in the balance since such a thing was possible. It is no greater today than it has been in any other time.

However, hating all muslims becuase of it is racist and wrong, IMHO.

Spin-twist-denial---Just like Obama.
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Does anyone else find it odd that Rebecca never once posted in the Politics section, for the first 11 months after she joined, that 259 of her 269 total posts have been in this section, and all since 10-04-08?

Sorry, that seems like a concerted effort, rather than just expressing different views, to me.
Obama gained in the polls.. suddenly a Black president is seeming very real, panic ensues as does Insanity (which is likely something she suffers with anyways)
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Does anyone else find it odd that Rebecca never once posted in the Politics section, for the first 11 months after she joined, and that 259 of her 269 total posts have been in this section - all since 10-04-08?

Sorry, that seems like a concerted effort, rather than just expressing different views, to me.

And this means what exactly?
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