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RandoymRandt · 10-13-2008, 05:41 AM

The article itself on celesbians is located here:

Bogus lesbians 'causing emotional damage'

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The boom in women pretending to be lesbians to attract attention is leaving a trail of emotional destruction, according to a social commentator.

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I have mixed feelings about off and on again "lesbianism", although either way, I always hated that Katy Perry song...

...there is something missing in this discussion, which is the idea of bisexuality in women...which is not lesbianism according to one study.

Alfie Demonia · 10-13-2008, 05:45 AM

This link didn't work for me: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...014717,00.html

RandoymRandt · 10-13-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfie Demonia

This link didn't work for me: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...014717,00.html

edit: Wait a sec...lulz, that link you posted doesn't work for me, nor is it in my original post?

The links in my original post seem to be fine tho, from this end...

/cornfuzed.

Alfie Demonia · 10-13-2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

edit: Wait a sec...lulz, that link you posted doesn't work for me, nor is it in my original post?

The links in my original post seem to be fine tho, from this end...

/cornfuzed.

I clicked on the link in your orginal post and it took me to your blog, so I clicked on the link in your blog to read the article you were quoting but it came up as an error..

RandoymRandt · 10-13-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfie Demonia

I clicked on the link in your orginal post and it took me to your blog, so I clicked on the link in your blog to read the article you were quoting but it came up as an error..

OHHH, Ok, no that link going back to the original source from my blog may be outdated, as it was from July. No point clicking on it, it would have said the same thing as you see on the blog itself.

So...

One link is to a study quoted on my blog that shows bisexuality and lesbianism are two different things.

The link to the article itself on celesbianism is (edit: now above) that.

Two different links around the same issue. Sorry for the confusion.

Edit: I think it must be my bed time! 8))

Surreal Farber · 10-13-2008, 09:00 AM

The writer needs more fiber.

Lianne Marten · 10-13-2008, 10:17 AM

I dunno about this article, but SLesbians sure cause plenty of emotional damage. Maybe he made a typo?

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 12:38 PM

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"Women who pretend to be lesbians do it to titillate men."

Actually, I don't like that, either.

Trout Recreant · 10-13-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Actually, I don't like that, either.

lol - and women wonder why we can't ever figure out what the heck to do with them.

Wait a sec...you want me to get excited about you so you're going to pretend to be something that isn't interested in me so I get excited about something that there is no use getting excited about because it excites you to think I'm excited about what I would be wasting my time to be excited over...

head begins to ache...

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 12:59 PM

Sober up, Trout, it's Monday

Trout Recreant · 10-13-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Sober up

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

it's Monday

Conflict. Quote #2 seems to advocate doing the opposite of Quote #1.

Jellin Pico · 10-13-2008, 01:10 PM

What a crock of shit!

God, where do I begin?

OK, first, the article seems to lay a lot of blame on celebrities who make a conscious choice to have sexual encounters with other women for the SOLE purpose of enhancing their own celebrity. That is, faking thier entire sexuality for fame. Sleeping with the enemy so to speak.

WHAT?? So the writer will have us think that these lesbian affairs are completely fake? Heterosexual women whoring themselves outt o lesbians solely for the sake of fame by paparazzi?

WHAT??

It also touches upon an issue that I've noticed a lot in my personal life .... That is, those who very emphatically voice the opinion that bisexuality itself is a lie. You are either straight or gay .. there is nothing inbetween.

This is voiced in the opinion of ... let's use Lindsey Lohan who is all up in the paparazzi fury right now .. it says that because she has had sex with guys, then she can't be gay. The article itself says she's fake because she has had sex with guys. It suggests she's faking it because she doesn't say in front of the world "I am a LESBIAN!"

Well jeebus jumped up christmas, who gives a shit? Why does all this matter? Why can't she JUST be having sex with someone she cares about and that's where it ends?

And why the FUCK can't anyone JUST HONESTLY and PLAINLY be attracted to both sexes? WHY the FUCK does it HAVE to be one or the other to get a little bit of validity?? In fact, why does gender have to even be a factor?

Going back to Lohan for an easy example .. why does gender have to be important .. why can't she just find Samantha whatever her last name is to be attractive regardless of what gender she is? Why can't Lohan JUST be having sex with Samantha and that as far as it goes?

God I fucking HATE this shit

Serenity · 10-13-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellin Pico

Why does all this matter? Why can't she JUST be having sex with someone she likes having sex with and that's where it ends?

Fixed it.

No seriously, though, the reason it's a bit of an issue is that sexuality is often seen as a collection of choices and not something naturally inclined. IE if you're gay now you can change back later or that you're simply CHOSING to be gay.

As I understand that's a bit problematic because people who are at the extremes of the Kinsey Scale are not able to just 'switch'. And seeing celebrities do just that, dance across the sexual spectrum, puts a lot of pressure on them to 'chose to go back' as it where.

I don't think this guy is totally off base, though his execution is very off. If I were a bona fide lesibian, and my family wasn't accepting of me, I can see how they might turn around and say "look at that girl Ellen dated; she got better. Why can't you?" And I see that as very emotionally distressing. Or as a teen trying to figure out who I am, the mixed messages from people that are supposed to be like me (and lets' face it, to most teens they ARE celebrities) can also create issues. After all, if Lohan is just turning on her 'gayness' for fun, why can't I turn mine off?

A big part of the problem is as you noted: few things in sexuality are clear cut black and white. Gay/ Straight is much more a continum than it is a pair of discrete settings.

Serenity

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellin Pico

(said good stuff)

I agree with all you said, Jellin, and to clarify, my comment doesn't have to do with the honest and authentic attractions people may have for each other, no matter what the genders of the two.

But I've been at clubs where two women make a show of pretending to get it on apparently, as far as I can tell, to attract hoots and hollers from people around who shout at them to do more. Do I know these women aren't actually into each other? I suppose not. But it has the feel of doing it for a show, of a spectacle, of pretense. And that just strikes me as sad.

Serenity · 10-13-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

But it has the feel of doing it for a show, of a spectacle, of pretense. And that just strikes me as sad.

But isn't the whole club scene one big show? We dress ways to attract attention or to signal some kind of interest. We approach each other in ways to make an excited spark if we can. In a sea of 100 bodies, if I want to go home with someone don't I need do something to get that first spot of interest to establish that *I* should be the one you talk up later?

It is a little sad, sure, but I also see it as a natural gambit in the larger game. Sacrifice a pawn to set up the queen....

Serenity

Persephone Milk · 10-13-2008, 01:24 PM

This is an interesting issue. In speaking with my friends, many of whom are GBLT (thank you for this Second Life!) there seems to be a common understanding that gender and sexuality are not black and white issues. Therefore, few of them would criticize anybody for experimenting and exploring themselves. That said it is rather obvious that some people are just putting on a public display for attention. And it's not just celebrities, or the club scene. I can tell you that in high school, there is enormous pressure on young girls to engage in bisexual flirtations, kissing and more - if you want to be popular with the boys. I am not sure this would be "emotionally damaging" to those who are truly GBLT, but I can imagine it might cheapen their very real feelings and tend to work against their desire to show that orientation is not merely a choice one makes for convenience or popularity.

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

But isn't the whole club scene one big show? We dress ways to attract attention or to signal some kind of interest. We approach each other in ways to make an excited spark if we can. In a sea of 100 bodies, if I want to go home with someone don't I need do something to get that first spot of interest to establish that *I* should be the one you talk up later?

It is a little sad, sure, but I also see it as a natural gambit in the larger game. Sacrifice a pawn to set up the queen....

Serenity

Can't go along with that.

Sexual identity is not the only part of who we are, but it is an important part. Selling that out so you can get laid later that night, no. That's sad.

Cincia Singh · 10-13-2008, 01:35 PM

The simple answer, Jellin, is that making the tedious seem important, i.e. who I'm attracted to and why, sells magazines and newspapers. Announcing that people have sex and are attracted to each other is boring lol. But I agree with you. Oddly enough it's my straight girlfriends who read and care more about these kinds of things than my bi and les girlfriends. Go figure.

Midi Reifsnider · 10-13-2008, 01:37 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Jellin. I don't understand why it matters? There are people all along the scale, for some it is a matter of definite preference for one sex or another, and for others it's less well defined. I wish we lived in a world where the person mattered, not the gender. People could fall in love and/or shag other people on the basis of attraction, pure and simple, without worrying about labels like gay or bi or whatever.

On the subject of Lindsay Lohan, I'm really pleased to see her so happy with someone, male or female - and I'm not a fan particularly.

Alfie Demonia · 10-13-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellin Pico

And why the FUCK can't anyone JUST HONESTLY and PLAINLY be attracted to both sexes? WHY the FUCK does it HAVE to be one or the other to get a little bit of validity?? In fact, why does gender have to even be a factor?

THANK YOU!

Jellin Pico · 10-13-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

Fixed it.

No seriously, though, the reason it's a bit of an issue is that sexuality is often seen as a collection of choices and not something naturally inclined. IE if you're gay now you can change back later or that you're simply CHOSING to be gay.

As I understand that's a bit problematic because people who are at the extremes of the Kinsey Scale are not able to just 'switch'. And seeing celebrities do just that, dance across the sexual spectrum, puts a lot of pressure on them to 'chose to go back' as it where.

I don't think this guy is totally off base, though his execution is very off. If I were a bona fide lesibian, and my family wasn't accepting of me, I can see how they might turn around and say "look at that girl Ellen dated; she got better. Why can't you?" And I see that as very emotionally distressing. Or as a teen trying to figure out who I am, the mixed messages from people that are supposed to be like me (and lets' face it, to most teens they ARE celebrities) can also create issues. After all, if Lohan is just turning on her 'gayness' for fun, why can't I turn mine off?

A big part of the problem is as yo

10-13-2008, 10:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lianne Marten Cheese Baron It's a brand new day, the sun is high. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: All the birds are singing that you're gonna die. Posts: 841 SL Join Date: 5/6/2004 My Mood:	I dunno about this article, but SLesbians sure cause plenty of emotional damage. Maybe he made a typo? __________________ I hope that whoever you are, you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and that things get better. But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you... I love you. With all my heart, I love you. -Valerie

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Jellin Pico Booyakasha! I'm better than you Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I hate L.A. Posts: 2,248 SL Join Date: July 2003 My Mood: Awards: 1	What a crock of shit! God, where do I begin? OK, first, the article seems to lay a lot of blame on celebrities who make a conscious choice to have sexual encounters with other women for the SOLE purpose of enhancing their own celebrity. That is, faking thier entire sexuality for fame. Sleeping with the enemy so to speak. WHAT?? So the writer will have us think that these lesbian affairs are completely fake? Heterosexual women whoring themselves outt o lesbians solely for the sake of fame by paparazzi? WHAT?? It also touches upon an issue that I've noticed a lot in my personal life .... That is, those who very emphatically voice the opinion that bisexuality itself is a lie. You are either straight or gay .. there is nothing inbetween. This is voiced in the opinion of ... let's use Lindsey Lohan who is all up in the paparazzi fury right now .. it says that because she has had sex with guys, then she can't be gay. The article itself says she's fake because she has had sex with guys. It suggests she's faking it because she doesn't say in front of the world "I am a LESBIAN!" Well jeebus jumped up christmas, who gives a shit? Why does all this matter? Why can't she JUST be having sex with someone she cares about and that's where it ends? And why the FUCK can't anyone JUST HONESTLY and PLAINLY be attracted to both sexes? WHY the FUCK does it HAVE to be one or the other to get a little bit of validity?? In fact, why does gender have to even be a factor? Going back to Lohan for an easy example .. why does gender have to be important .. why can't she just find Samantha whatever her last name is to be attractive regardless of what gender she is? Why can't Lohan JUST be having sex with Samantha and that as far as it goes? God I fucking HATE this shit __________________ Dolphins ... The Smug Bastards of the Sea

10-13-2008, 01:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
Persephone Milk Musical Alchemist Mixolydian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,691 SL Join Date: October 5, 2004 Business: Musical Alchemy My Mood:	This is an interesting issue. In speaking with my friends, many of whom are GBLT (thank you for this Second Life!) there seems to be a common understanding that gender and sexuality are not black and white issues. Therefore, few of them would criticize anybody for experimenting and exploring themselves. That said it is rather obvious that some people are just putting on a public display for attention. And it's not just celebrities, or the club scene. I can tell you that in high school, there is enormous pressure on young girls to engage in bisexual flirtations, kissing and more - if you want to be popular with the boys. I am not sure this would be "emotionally damaging" to those who are truly GBLT, but I can imagine it might cheapen their very real feelings and tend to work against their desire to show that orientation is not merely a choice one makes for convenience or popularity. __________________ . Musical Alchemy - Fine Musical Instruments by Persephone Milk See me on SLEx, OnRez, My Blog, and at My Store

10-13-2008, 01:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Cincia Singh Vagabond I refuse to be the goody bag at your pity party Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago USA Posts: 761 SL Join Date: 06/07 Business: Smooth Jazz Club & Lounge Blog Entries: 6 My Mood:	The simple answer, Jellin, is that making the tedious seem important, i.e. who I'm attracted to and why, sells magazines and newspapers. Announcing that people have sex and are attracted to each other is boring lol. But I agree with you. Oddly enough it's my straight girlfriends who read and care more about these kinds of things than my bi and les girlfriends. Go figure. __________________ "Let the sun shine where I lay, keep me young so I may play, and most of all, bless the people I adore, and guard me from the dog next-door." a kitten's prayer. Smooth Jazz Club & Lounge

10-13-2008, 01:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
Midi Reifsnider Miss Midipenny I'm alright, thanks Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,160 SL Join Date: Sept 2007 My Mood:	I agree wholeheartedly with Jellin. I don't understand why it matters? There are people all along the scale, for some it is a matter of definite preference for one sex or another, and for others it's less well defined. I wish we lived in a world where the person mattered, not the gender. People could fall in love and/or shag other people on the basis of attraction, pure and simple, without worrying about labels like gay or bi or whatever. On the subject of Lindsay Lohan, I'm really pleased to see her so happy with someone, male or female - and I'm not a fan particularly. __________________ www.twitter.com/MidiReifsnider

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