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Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

No, I think you misunderstood, Colette. Of the total number of teen suicides (say there were only 100), 30 percent of those were committed by gay youth. So, 30 people.

According to Family First Aid, there were 30,622 teen suicides in 2001. So, approximately 9,187 were committed by gay teens.

Adding: The statistics are for the U.S. Heh, bad ethnocentrist, I am.

Where does the original article say that? I went back and looked for the third time.

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 05:59 PM

I don't see it in the later articles either.

Nor the 30% of all teen suicides supposition, which at least is more plausible.

It seems like an unsourced statistic.

Still 30% sounds pretty unrealistically high as a proportion even. Considering the other potential causes, and how people who are exclusively gay is somewhere less than 10% of the population.

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 06:00 PM

Eighth paragraph

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 06:01 PM

... that I just sourced for you >.<

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:02 PM

30% of all gay teens who committed suicide did so because they were gay .. that would be pretty plausible

But theres no data on any of it.

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 06:05 PM

Aw fuck it, we're talking past each other. I never talked to the reason they committed suicide, just the percentage that did. Getting off the merry-go-round.

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Eighth paragraph

Huh?

Teen Suicide Statistics Adolescent Teenage Suicide Prevention

The words "gay" nor "homosexual" don't even appear in that article. I just did a search to make sure.

Gigs · 10-13-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

30% of all gay teens who committed suicide did so because they were gay .. that would be pretty plausible

But theres no data on any of it.

I'm pretty sure it was saying that 30% of teen suicides are gay kids. This would be a statistically significant correlation, since it's only about 10% of the population that's gay.

Asher Bertrand · 10-13-2008, 06:06 PM

You asked about the original article. I guessed you meant the one that the thread is about. But ... anyway. Happy researching to you, the frustration level here has gotten too high.

Gigs · 10-13-2008, 06:08 PM

Remafedi, G., Farrow, J., and Deisher, R. (1991), "Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide in Gay and Bisexual Youth," Pediatrics, 87(6), pp. 869-76.

Here's the study I see being used to back up that assertion. I'll let you dig it up and see if it really says that.

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

I'm pretty sure it was saying that 30% of teen suicides are gay kids. This would be a statistically significant correlation, since it's only about 10% of the population that's gay.

Well I guess it would, if there was a source to back the statement up.

Gigs · 10-13-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Remafedi, G., Farrow, J., and Deisher, R. (1991), "Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide in Gay and Bisexual Youth," Pediatrics, 87(6), pp. 869-76.

Here's the study I see being used to back up that assertion. I'll let you dig it up and see if it really says that.

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Remafedi, G., Farrow, J., and Deisher, R. (1991), "Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide in Gay and Bisexual Youth," Pediatrics, 87(6), pp. 869-76.

Here's the study I see being used to back up that assertion. I'll let you dig it up and see if it really says that.

OutProud - Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Youth Suicide

Okay that one worked when I typed it into google I got this.

I don't see how it translates into the fake lesbian fad since the study predates the fad by a decade or more.

But it does argue that a teen who is gay is 2 to 3 times more likely to commit suicide as a teen that is straight, which is highly significant.

Trout Recreant · 10-13-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

OutProud - Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Youth Suicide

Okay that one worked when I typed it into google I got this.

I don't see how it translates into the fake lesbian fad since the study predates the fad by a decade or more.

But it does argue that a teen who is gay is 2 to 3 times more likely to commit suicide as a teen that is straight, which is highly significant.

I think that makes the math work out. If 10% of the population is 3 times more likely than the other 90% to commit suicide, then that 10% would make up 30% of the suicides, right?

This is math beyond my abilities. I don't think it has any relation to the fake lesbian issue, but I think it does point to a substantial problem in our society.

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trout Recreant

I think that makes the math work out. If 10% of the population is 3 times more likely than the other 90% to commit suicide, then that 10% would make up 30% of the suicides, right?

This is math beyond my abilities. I don't think it has any relation to the fake lesbian issue, but I think it does point to a substantial problem in our society.

One that is a lot bigger than straight teen girls kissing each other at sock-hops

Colette Meiji · 10-13-2008, 06:21 PM

Sorry for the confusion Asher, and thanks Gigs.

RandoymRandt · 10-14-2008, 08:10 AM

There was a response today on this article I'm sure you will enjoy!!

Nothing wrong with fake lesbians: readers

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Nothing wrong with fake lesbians: readers

A warning that the boom in bogus lesbians could have serious emotional consequences has been rubbished by ninemsn readers.

Social commentator Tim Duggan yesterday described the current "fauxmosexual" craze as dangerous, claiming it was doing more harm to the gay community than good and was leading to emotional damage.

The claim has been backed up by Merryn Johns, editor of lesbian magazine LOTL, who said that women who faked being gay were disrespectful to years of campaigning for equal rights

"The real sadness for everyone is incurred when women questioning their sexuality offer themselves but are unsure about how far they want to explore or invest in these encounters," Ms Jones said.

"Vain, young, mostly straight women might like to think about the wider consequences of their pursuit of social glory," she said.

But ninemsn readers across the country disagreed — denying claims the fad wasn't "real acceptance" and was instead "titillating, easy-on-the-eyes acceptance".

"I would have thought that if anything, the 'fauxmosexual' trend would be a good thing for the gay and lesbian community," Chris from Sydney wrote.

"Surely it is a sign of increased acceptance of same sex relationships in today's society?"
Viv from Newcastle agreed, saying: "No matter if they are five minute lesbians — people are talking about it and accepting it — shouldn't this be encouraging to all kids out there who are confused about their sexuality?"

Another reader said experimentation was a good thing because it pushed people to accept others whether they were gay, straight or bisexual.

"Perhaps with all this media focusing on gay and experimental celebrities, other homosexuals and bisexuals will feel confident enough to come out and be happy about being the way they are," Henning from NSW wrote.

"There's nothing wrong with not being straight and there's nothing wrong with being, gay, straight [or] bi."

And Jill from WA summed it up in a nutshell: "These so called bogus lesbians are making being gay OK ... how can gay people be annoyed with this?"

Whirlwind celebrity lesbian flings — like the one between MTV VJ Ruby Rose and Veronicas twin Jess Origliasso — have reportedly caused the wave of "fauxmosexuals" on the real life party circuit.

Ewan Took · 10-20-2008, 06:40 AM

Another z-lister who's ran out of 'shocking' things to do

SHOCK! Jodie Marsh: I'm dating a woman | Celebrity News | Now Magazine

armozel · 10-20-2008, 11:31 AM

At this point in human history, should anyone give a shit who pretends to diddle who?

Ewan Took · 10-20-2008, 11:44 AM

Someone does, because who's diddling who sells magazines!

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10-13-2008, 05:59 PM	#77 (permalink)
Colette Meiji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,531 My Mood:	I don't see it in the later articles either. Nor the 30% of all teen suicides supposition, which at least is more plausible. It seems like an unsourced statistic. Still 30% sounds pretty unrealistically high as a proportion even. Considering the other potential causes, and how people who are exclusively gay is somewhere less than 10% of the population.

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Asher Bertrand Dead Guy Creaking watermelons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,663 My Mood: Blog Entries: 2	... that I just sourced for you >.<

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Colette Meiji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,531 My Mood:	30% of all gay teens who committed suicide did so because they were gay .. that would be pretty plausible But theres no data on any of it.

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Asher Bertrand Dead Guy Creaking watermelons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,663 My Mood: Blog Entries: 2	Aw fuck it, we're talking past each other. I never talked to the reason they committed suicide, just the percentage that did. Getting off the merry-go-round.

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Asher Bertrand Dead Guy Creaking watermelons Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,663 My Mood: Blog Entries: 2	You asked about the original article. I guessed you meant the one that the thread is about. But ... anyway. Happy researching to you, the frustration level here has gotten too high.

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Gigs Backroom Bureaucrat Is it wicked not to care? Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,622 Awards: 1	Remafedi, G., Farrow, J., and Deisher, R. (1991), "Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide in Gay and Bisexual Youth," Pediatrics, 87(6), pp. 869-76. Here's the study I see being used to back up that assertion. I'll let you dig it up and see if it really says that.

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Colette Meiji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,531 My Mood:	Sorry for the confusion Asher, and thanks Gigs.

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armozel Androgynous Android Living free and rational Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 816 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2005/6 (Had another older account, lost due to forgetting name...) Blog Entries: 4	At this point in human history, should anyone give a shit who pretends to diddle who?

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