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Rosie Barthelmess · 10-03-2008, 09:38 AM

I believe a recent angle in that "bragging" has been that he's been consistent.

Redhead · 10-03-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Proof Ferraro is crazier then we ever thought?

Ferraro

Say what?!?!?! I am happy she added some historical perspective. Yes, I know most of you think Palin is some clueless backwoods redneck, but history and some little girls in this country might remember her as a woman without as much experience as a man with almost 4 decades of experience that could stand up to him and hold her own. Regardless of what side your are on, if you care about the advancement of Women even a little, you have to applaud Governor Palin on this moment, plus, she is 5 weeks in and she hasn't cried yet!

Chris Matthews

Diana Sawyer

Peggy Noonan

Tom Brokaw

Really Brokaw? I swear every since they were cursing on the air after 9/11 he has been off da chain.

David Gergen

Jim Kuhnhenn

Chuck Todd

Fred Barnes

Bill Schneider

Walter Ararkon

Personally, I think she owned his ass in that moment. The Bush administration is over, they are a lame duck. We are talking about the future and where we want to go. The past should not be forgotten and history should always be studied but stop beating the dead horse. The American people don't like Bush, he made some major fuck ups. We need to move on, lets look towards the future. This is where she as (ugh this is getting old too but it is true) "Washington Outsider" look fresh and appears to be bringing a fresh perspective to the table. Obama/Biden is supposed to be young vibrant and looking towards the future, by calling him out on this tactic/attitude she made him look like and old codger.

Rick Klein

If Obama loses, I think the choice of Biden and all the things he said about Obama during the Democratic Presidental nomination process will be pointed at. I don't think the 527's or the McCain campaign have even came both guns blazing (ha!) on this one the way they can, yet.

None of the above.

Cocoanut Koala · 10-03-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

If Bush had a 50%+ approval rating it would be McCain arguing how much like Bush he is.

And the Obama camp would be trying to downplay it.

I agree. But don't quite get this criticism. From the numbers I've read, Obama votes along his party lines even more than McCain has.

That seems to me normal.

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 10-03-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Proof Ferraro is crazier then we ever thought?

What you are seeing is that Ferraro is sincerely for women. She's a true feminist. She doesn't withhold her support depending on a woman's political persuasion or her position on particular issues.

Plus she's an old dog who's been around the political block, and recognizes admirable things when she sees them.

coco

jacqueline trudeau · 10-03-2008, 10:56 AM

Still hungover here due to the "maverick" and "hockey mom" drinking game. What happened last night?

Anyways, on more sober analysis, is "hockey mom" the best branding she can come up with for herself? Soccer Mom I could see, even though no one over the age of 10 in America gives a damn about that sport. And hockey is even more fringe than soccer. Those Joe sixpacks are going to be way confused - isn't hockey that sport with all those French players?

Rosie Barthelmess · 10-03-2008, 10:58 AM

Heh. Well, up there in the bitter cold Arctic, you know, hockey is a pretty big deal.

In all honesty, hockey is what we played as kids in Alaska. Every elementary school and high school had a skating/hockey rink. And in the summers when we couldn't play hockey we played "broom ball" which was essentially field hockey.

jacqueline trudeau · 10-03-2008, 11:08 AM

Yeah I see your point. While it might get a nod of recognition from that in play perma-frost demographic, I think she is in risk of running that schtict into the ground.

As far as her performance, she did well enough to keep further republican calls of dropping her from the ticket at bay. Though nothing to change the dynamic of the race in McCain's favor.

Richie Waves · 10-03-2008, 11:11 AM

If style over substance is your bag, Palin done great..

Cocoanut Koala · 10-03-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Yeah I see your point. While it might get a nod of recognition from that in play perma-frost demographic, I think she is in risk of running that schtict into the ground.

As far as her performance, she did well enough to keep further republican calls of dropping her from the ticket at bay. Though nothing to change the dynamic of the race in McCain's favor.

She has run all KINDS of shtick into the ground, and long since.

coco

Asher Bertrand · 10-03-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Personally, I think she owned his ass in that moment.

Are you serious? I thought it was the low point of her evening.

Atia · 10-03-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mereille

Actually, she did better than I thought she would. But...if she had said nukular one more time I would have reached through the tv and scratched her eyes out! Gaaaaaaah!!!!!!

Shades of Bush.

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Originally Posted by Vivianne Draper

When I point to a female politician I don't want to point to one and say "hey this woman is ignorant and unqualified but look how she dances around the issues in a debate" -- I want to point to an erudite educated woman fully versed on the issues who doesn't have to fall back on batting her eyelashes and using bad grammar to convince the middle class that she is just like them and golly gosh gee we can feel safe voting for her.

You call it advancement of women. I call it a step on the return to the stone age.

I couldn't agree more. It would be entertaining to throw Palin up against a serious contender like Hillary and see if she'd still use these unprofessional tactics. The juxtaposition would be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Geez, just because you don't like the woman you don't heave to demean her just because she is an attractive woman. Attack the issues.

I don't think anyone is attacking Palin because she's attractive. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and as most people know good looks can open a lot of doors that would otherwise be closed. What she's being attacked for is using mannerisms and language that is unprofessional. THAT'S what is truly demeaning to women everywhere.

I felt her answers were delivered like well-rehearsed beauty pageant sound bites.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

As far as the war goes, yes

Bush has done more than just fight Iraq of course.

But you make a good point about the War ..

Which is one of the big reasons Obama is the Candidate.

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Which is a lot like the reason Lincoln was the Republican's nominee in 1860. He had a record of being opposed to Slavery. While the Front runner had a record of compromise.

And once Obama takes office and has to continue the war and expand into other Nations will be why he will end up a one term President. If he win he will inherit a mess that will require him to do things that will make him out to be a liar and he will not be re-elected. Only an idiot would want to be President at this time in America, it is a recipe for epic failure.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerboa Haystack

And McCain *has* bragged about his 95%+ Bush support voting record.

Because the Republican Party hated him before he started following script and McCain's desire for the Presidency has won over his long time record of being for the people. The fact that he wasn't the Republican Nominee in 2000, as he should have been has been a grave mistake for the whole country. Bush fucked everyone over in more ways than people imagine.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

If Bush had a 50%+ approval rating it would be McCain arguing how much like Bush he is.

And the Obama camp would be trying to downplay it.

Since Congress has a 9% approval rating, none of them should be talking about their records since the American People see them all as Epic Failures.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

Are you serious? I thought it was the low point of her evening.

Yeah I am dead serious, but I actually like her, if you hate her and spend your posts here demeaning her on everything you can, then I can understand why you see it as the low point. We can agree to disagree.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 10-03-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Anyways, on more sober analysis, is "hockey mom" the best branding she can come up with for herself? Soccer Mom I could see, even though no one over the age of 10 in America gives a damn about that sport. And hockey is even more fringe than soccer. Those Joe sixpacks are going to be way confused - isn't hockey that sport with all those French players?

Hockey is way less fringe than soccer in the U.S. It is the second most popular sport behind football in some major cities like New York and Philadelphia, and the most popular in Detroit. There isn't a single U.S. city where soccer is rated higher than fifth most popular. (I can't find the source, but read this on ESPN.com a year or two ago.)

Regards,

-Flip

**Cristiano** · 10-03-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FlipperPA Peregrine

Hockey is way less fringe than soccer in the U.S. It is the second most popular sport behind football in some major cities like New York and Philadelphia, and the most popular in Detroit. There isn't a single U.S. city where soccer is rated higher than fifth most popular. (I can't find the source, but read this on ESPN.com a year or two ago.)

Regards,

-Flip

Only on a professional level - far more schools have soccer teams than hockey teams, and that is where the "soccer mom" thing originates from - moms schleping their kids to soccer practice. It is odd that soccer has not caught on professionally, given how wildly popular it is in the rest of the world, and as a school sport.

Colette Meiji · 10-03-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

And once Obama takes office and has to continue the war and expand into other Nations will be why he will end up a one term President. If he win he will inherit a mess that will require him to do things that will make him out to be a liar and he will not be re-elected. Only an idiot would want to be President at this time in America, it is a recipe for epic failure.

Possibly.

Of course FDR took office in the middle of the great depression and got reelected a few times.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Possibly.

Of course FDR took office in the middle of the great depression and got reelected a few times.

My prediction is Obama is no FDR. If I am incorrect I will be the first to admit it.

Colette Meiji · 10-03-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Only on a professional level - far more schools have soccer teams than hockey teams, and that is where the "soccer mom" thing originates from - moms schleping their kids to soccer practice. It is odd that soccer has not caught on professionally, given how wildly popular it is in the rest of the world, and as a school sport.

LOL funny seeing two people who don't have kids discuss this.

In reality Soccer is big on the Community club level. Every suburban city/county has its own soccer leagues for grade school aged kids.

I don't think most those kids even go on to play soccer in Jr High School/High school.

Its a lot like Little League.

Richie Waves · 10-03-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

My prediction is Obama is no FDR.

Captain obvious strikes again!

Malachi · 10-03-2008, 12:54 PM

I've been wondering what a "team of mavericks" is. Is that like a gaggle of non-conformists who show their non-conformity by dressing and acting all alike?

Colette Meiji · 10-03-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

My prediction is Obama is no FDR. If I am incorrect I will be the first to admit it.

Well its kinda like this, if in 4 years ..

If we are out of Iraq

The Economy starts to recover

People have an easier time finding good employment.

Less people worry about losing their homes

Less people have problems with health care

Then he will be reelected.

If not, he won't be.

Surreal · 10-03-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

Since Congress has a 9% approval rating, none of them should be talking about their records since the American People see them all as Epic Failures.

My recollection, since you didn't post your source, is that when breaking down approval numbers for things like Congress, people tend to be satisfied with their own representatives more and convinced that those "other guys" are morons.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-03-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

My recollection, since you didn't post your source, is that when breaking down approval numbers for things like Congress, people tend to be satisfied with their own representatives more and convinced that those "other guys" are morons.

I have posted it before, it has been this way for months. I thought people were aware and didn't realize a source was necessary.

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Rosie Barthelmess Singer, Jeweler, Manager Persona non grata Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central US Posts: 1,754 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 9 SL Join Date: May 6, 2007 Business: Sable Rose Jewelry/The Patio/Lounge Of Dreams	Heh. Well, up there in the bitter cold Arctic, you know, hockey is a pretty big deal. In all honesty, hockey is what we played as kids in Alaska. Every elementary school and high school had a skating/hockey rink. And in the summers when we couldn't play hockey we played "broom ball" which was essentially field hockey.

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jacqueline trudeau dot commie Breakin' prims in the hot sun Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shantytown Posts: 4,464 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: 07/15/2005 Business: Trudeau Classic Sailing Yachts	Yeah I see your point. While it might get a nod of recognition from that in play perma-frost demographic, I think she is in risk of running that schtict into the ground. As far as her performance, she did well enough to keep further republican calls of dropping her from the ticket at bay. Though nothing to change the dynamic of the race in McCain's favor.

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Malachi the bathwater & the baby fish and bees are inherently sarcastic Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,666	I've been wondering what a "team of mavericks" is. Is that like a gaggle of non-conformists who show their non-conformity by dressing and acting all alike?

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