Colette Meiji

This is all it is, really.

The rest is just people Rationalizing.

Cocoanut Koala

I would agree with you that it speaks to her character, except that I have trouble equating people's sexual dalliances with their character. Just about basically everyone is subject to temptation. I just really don't think, for example, that Clinton's affair (even his serial affairs) had much to do with his ability to be president.

And true, you said nothing about the daughter's pregnancy or anything, but I mean that has been said on these forums, with the supposed contrast to her religious beliefs held up.

In any case, I simply can't equate any form of religion or praying (for anything) or relate those at all to anything having to do with something like this.

Really, all kinds of people have affairs and can still be deeply committed to their religious beliefs. It just isn't that related. All kinds of non-religious people have affairs, too, and that isn't related to their lack of religion, either.

Not to put too fine a point on it, anyway; I just wanted to object to the idea of religious (or conservative) people being held to some sort of higher standard, simply because of their life philosophy. People can do wrong and still love God deeply.

I'm glad you think it's minor, because I do, too. I don't think it's WONDERFUL, any more than I thought Edwards, Clinton, etc., were being wonderful; I just don't think it has a whole lot to do with political things. If we demand fidelity from our leaders, we aren't going to have a whole lot of leaders left!

(And I know we do, but I think it is becoming a bit like demanding they never indulged in drugs has become. Pretty soon you will have no one left to elect.)

Having said all that, personally, it lowers my opinion of her a bit, and that is if she even did it. It's just too easy for me to understand a young woman whose husband is on the road all the time falling for someone else. And at this point, "falling for" is all I'm convinced of.

Heck, I think it's just too easy for me to understand adultery altogether. Not that my husband and I ever indulged in it (to my knowledge!) but because I've been married a long time. And marriage is . . . a long time, even when you are young.

coco

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Palin is Pentecostal, and if she is anything like the Pentecostals I know, her faith isn't being challenged (nor in question here). At least not by me. I really haven't seen anyone challenge her faith. I have seen people challenge her character. And yes, if you make morals and family values some of your bigger talking points, then you're gonna get dinged a little harder if you get caught. You don't even have to be religious to get snared by that trap.

Frankly, this potential dalliance means nothing to me, when I have watched her lie and repeatedly dodge the most important, pertinent questions. She gives non speak answers or just completely ignores the hard questions. Not someone I want one step away from presiding over our country. Especially when McCain appears to be going senile, before our very eyes.

Cocoanut Koala

I suppose.

coco

FlipperPA Peregrine

All presidents should receive mandatory oral sex from 21-year old interns on a daily basis.

Won't SOME ONE PLEASE think of the ECONOMY!

That said, I do think it is much more hypocritical for "FAMILY VALUES" folks to have an affair that a "rock out with my cock out and go to church on Christmas and Easter Episcopalian."

...and you all know my feeling about fundamentalists as a whole. Ted Haggert still gives me truly epic lulz. "Yes, I had the meth, but I wasn't going to do it with the male hooker or anything!"

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jacqueline trudeau

The other man "revealed" ....

Looks like a clone of her first man. Do they have a dress and grooming code up there in AK?

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jacqueline trudeau

Generally speaking supporters of Clinton are more understanding and forgiving of human nature foibles. Supporters of Palin? I think the majority view them as a damnation. What's it going to be this time?

Cindy Claveau

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Harvey Swenson

I'm guessing the conversation started something like

Todd: Hi honey I'm home, gee Sarah, you're really packing on the pounds
Sarah: Todd, sweety, we need to have a talk

Stormy Weeks

Here is why people like to judge some Christians more harshly when they are caught doing something wrong:

There is a certain contingent of Christianity that likes to go around telling people they are AUTOMATICALLY going to Hell for not having the same belief system or attending the same church (faith or blind belief etc.). I don't need to be told what to believe religiously, and
I don't like those people.

I like when self-righteous hypocritical Christians get bitten in the ass for their dealings between the sheets (or otherwise). Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I like it more when it happens to those kind of people than when it happens to people who don't try to force their belief system on me.

I perceive Palin as someone who wants to force her personal belief system on me & my family, rather than someone who has the best interests of the USA in mind.

Ray Figtree

Me too...

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Asher Bertrand

Maybe she just got confused then and took the wrong one to bed?

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Cocoanut Koala

(Thank you for using the word I prefer!)

I guess I'm just going to have to accept the fact that some people think since I am religious and have family values, that should I ever fall off the monogamy wagon, it will mean I'm not just an adulterer, I'm a hypocrite as well.

It won't mean I'm just as human as the next person. Flipper could have an affair and be a non-hypocrite. Flipper would come out of it somehow better than me.

And I wouldn't get any credit, either, for living up to my own expectations of myself at all - because one slip, and you are automatically a hypocrite. You are automatically worse than the person who isn't religious, or doesn't have strong family values - even though the act is the exact same thing.

And I imagine that would apply to anything widely considered to be a "sin" in this society: cursing too much, drinking too much, doing drugs, or anything else; lying, cheating, stealing, sloth, greed, avarice, lust - you name it. If you are religious (and/or conservative, and/or part of a traditional family), and you sin in any way, well, you're worse than the average sinner, and a hypocrite to boot!

This amounts to nothing more than an extra punishment doled out, really, by some others - for being religious in the first place, or having 'family values" in the first place. Just another slap in the face, really.

I don't think any amount of my talking is going to change the minds of those who simply think people who are religious, or people who adhere to "family values," are inferior to begin with.

Not that I didn't talk about it a lot about it anyway, and still am! At tedious length! haha

And it's sort of just part of the campaign against both: "If you are religious, understand that we who aren't will call you worse names than we will call other people, should you do the same thing as others. Ditto if you have strong family values, or are conservative. Be those things at your own peril."

I think it's all just another form of intolerance.

People don't have affairs - or drink too much, or whatever - because they *decide* that they aren't going to pay attention to their espoused deepest values, which are all a lie and a cover anyhow. (Which would make them a hypocrite.)

People have affairs, drink too much, etc. - because they are human, and have weak moments.

Unless a person can say that they NEVER do ANYTHING at all that they think is wrong, then that person lives in a glass house and shouldn't throw stones.

I do have a couple other things I've thought of regarding this Palin/affair thing, though.

coco

Cindy Claveau

Cocoanut Koala

Just exactly one of the other points I was going to get to, and will in a moment.

coco

Asher Bertrand

I'd say it's more like, "We're all shitters, but only the shysters like to think their poop don't stink."

Cristiano

Coco,

The difference that you seem to be missing is that you don't hold up your values and wield them as a weapon against others who don't share them. You also are not actively participating in trying to affect the lives of others who don't share your views.

This is why people are happy when holier than thou, sanctimonious idiots reveal their true colors. They spend so much time trying to control the lives of others, when they are just as human.

A Christian who has an affair is not a hypocrite, they are a sinner according to their own faith, but that is between them and their faith and spouse. The hypocrisy comes in when anyone holds themselves up to be some beacon of morality and righteousness, while in the background being anything but that. Perhaps if those people did not try to interfere in the lives of others and restrict their rights and choices, no one would care. As long as they do, then their personal failings are fair game.

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Cocoanut Koala

Yes! Well put! (But I am saying "some people," more than "liberals." Cause it can be people of any political persuasion.)

coco

archie lukas

Tell me something..........................


Who actually gives a damn?

:shocke d::hug :

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Io Zeno

I dunno, I give up, Coco if you can't see the difference between simply being a Christian and the fact that this woman is the darling of the religious right, who are the most judgmental people around, I don't know what to tell you. She is for a reason.

I don't care what takes her down, this or anything else.

If she were a democrat, the republicans would have painted her as the Whore of Babylon by now.

She is unqualified and dangerous and this country is in too much trouble to be playing political games with it's future, if we are going to have one.

Any. Means. Necessary.

Stormy Weeks

Coco, there is a difference between living one's beliefs and shoving them down the throat of others. Although you seem to have strong beliefs and live them, I have never seen you shove them down people's throats. And to me, that is a major difference.

Major major. Because there is nothing in true Christianity that makes it OK to attempt to force others to live a certain way.

Cindy Claveau

You guys don't get it.

Liberals like to have hot monkey sex.

Conservatives like to invade countries and bomb people...

and THEN have hot monkey sex.

Jesus. Do I have to explain everything?

Stormy Weeks

Thank you. Now I know that I am a Liberal.

Except when I have too much to drink.

Then I become a Conservative.

Cristiano

From my standpoint, it doesn't matter who the person is. I think John Edwards was a total hypocrite and a jackass for cheating on his wife. The hypocrisy came in for what he had said in the past about President Clinton's actions, and also for lying for such a long time about it.

I was disappointed in Bill Clinton and think what he did was pretty shitty.

As far as seeing it in the exact same light, I see it in the same light when the actions by the person are the same. However, I tend to find it is more often than not conservative candidates who try to push their moral views to control others through legislation, not liberal ones. I have equal problem with either side doing it.

Io Zeno

Exactly. Edwards is a good example. He attacked Clinton rather personally for the whole Monica thing and turned around and did far, far worse. He is scum. But I hated him anyway.

It's the Conservatives of the Republican party that play the moralist card all the damn time, wrap themselves in the flag and Jesus, and if you didn't know that I have to ask what parallel universe you are living in, lol.