Vertigo Paris

Well..there is the BDSM sub-forum....

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Originally Posted by Trout Recreant Helllllooooo Verti! At last! The chance to rate one of my favorite people! Absolutely beautiful pictures. You are a strong, opinionated woman who is not at all afraid to express herself both verbally and physically. You have a strong sense of fantasy and mystery surrounding a drop dead beauty. You maintain an aloof intelligent exterior that we long to break through, but which might intimidate some men. It shows a complexity of personality that few possess. Based on these pictures, I am giving you an 8.4 on the official Trout Recreant Scale of Slutiness. You are a slut, but only in the best possible way, and any man lucky enough to see that side of you should count his blessings.

Siobhan OFlynn

Verti, you perv!

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Colette Meiji

At least from the bit in Cris's post they only said that members of this guys family say there was an affair.

So it could be like Coco said. They aren't saying she had an affair.

they might only be saying that this guy and his family said they are having an affair.

Thus they would be "right" the guys family said it...

But they still could be "wrong" the guy might have been lying to said family.

Vertigo Paris

I am so innocent and pure, the angels in heaven rip their hair out in envy!

Cristiano

Coco,

Where did I say it only mattered that the religious have an affair? I was addressing the question of why it matters. It comes down to an issue of credibility, regardless of who the candidate is. Is it a deal breaker? That is left up to the individual voter to decide. It is, however, relevant.

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Cristiano

I have, it is called the SLUniverse Forums.

Cocoanut Koala

That was precisely my point in my post to Cristiano.

I am exactly pointing out that it doesn't matter who does it, or what their religion is, or how conservative or liberal they are.

Either it matters or it doesn't.

coco

P.S. I'm going to make it a point to try to pick up this Enquirer, as the teaser listed on the web site isn't really enough.

Then I'll report back about it, as a long-time Enquirer follower who knows how to read these things, haha!

But there is one clue in the teaser, at the end:

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" Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.

“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she real­ized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.

“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”

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This would indicate that probably the article is going to talk like how previous articles I have read talk about this: That she had a strong attraction to the guy which was never consummated.

What do I think? I would assume, having not been born yesterday, that likely they did it. Yet - I can never really conclude that, because I also know lots of married people who have had heavy flirtations and involvements that never got consummated.

In any case, my point is this: She's not more horrible for it (whether it was a heavy flirtation or a full-fledged affair) because she is conservative and/or religious.

That is the point I'm trying to make here.

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Ray Figtree

It doesn't matter because lying is now acceptable. I've seen McCain lie as recently as yesterday. I've seen video that shows him lying 10 times in two minutes of youtube. Friggin George W. laughs at his own lies (his looking under the table and saying "where are the WMDs?" routine). Why are they exempt from having any ethics?

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Blah blah blah...

Did they have intercourse? Or oral sex? Or maybe a little finger banging? THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

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Cocoanut Koala

Because you said this:

"Why is it important, it is her personal life, right? When you are running on a platform of family, small town American values, morality, blah blah blah, yeah, the sheer hypocrisy of it does matter."

And I'm saying they ALL do that.

coco

Briar Bing

Sad but true.

I know they all lie, but McCain (and now Palin) lately has brought it to the level where I am extremely disgusted with him, and I was prepared to vote for him last time around.

He's become another Bush, and he hasn't even made it to the damned White House (yet).

Io Zeno

They may all do it Coco, but only the republicans spend millions of taxpayer dollars to investigate blowjobs. Only they run on the platform that the evol librahls are ruining our "morality".

They are hypocrites and have it coming whenever they are found sucking dick in a public bathroom after railing against gays or if this is true, playing the purer than thou, uber moralist who has her crazy assed, witch hunting pastor intervening with God to get her elected or build a pipeline.

Take her down by any means necessary, this really isn't the time to be nice, we are on the brink here and cannot afford the risk of someone who makes Bush look intelligent getting in office.

Cristiano

Thank you, Io, you expressed what I was trying to say in a much more direct way.

RandoymRandt

But again, we *talk* about those "lies", so they matter.

Amongst many definitions of "matter"...

"something of consequence: matter for serious thought."

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Aimee Weber

I said this with the Clinton affair, the Edwards affair, and I'll say it now ...

Wouldn't it be cool if the perp just came out and said "we're swingers!"

Briar Bing

I told Jerry not to run for office with all those skeletons in his closet, but he wouldn't listen.

Cocoanut Koala

This may have been what you were thinking, Cristiano, but it wasn't clear in what you were saying, and anyway, I still disagree with it.

For quite some time now on these forums I've seen this double standard applied, and always it's because she is religious and conservative, and supposedly that means that if you aren't perfect, you are more guilty.

And it has nothing to do with your perception that Republicans think they are morally superior. I don't see that like you guys do. That paints with a hugely broad brush.

I'm talking about this one instance, where this person is a hypocrite because her daughter is pregnant, or is a hypocrite because she had (or may have had) an affair; and of the earlier times when I've heard this theory espoused, that religious (or conservative) people are supposed to be on this pedestal.

Listen, I'M religious. I also lead a pretty white bread sort of life, and if I had an affair, my husband would leave me. But that doesn't mean that I'm perfect, and it doesn't mean I am a "hypocrite" simply because I'm no angel. It just means I'm less than perfect.

(And certainly what my children do is no indication of my "hypocrisy.")

I've just heard it all too often on these forums: "Oh look at Sarah Palin, her daughter's pregnant, and she says she's a Christian and pro-life, what a hypocrite!" and so on.

And I most absolutely disagree with the idea of "take her down by whatever means necessary," or "this isn't the time to be nice."

It is ALWAYS the time to be principled. If you aren't that, then your cause is nothing, because your cause is unprincipled.

coco

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i'd hit it.

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Cristiano

Coco,

Now you are mixing her daughter's pregancy and having an affair into one issue - I did not bring up the pregnancy. I don't think she is a hypocrite in any way because of her daughter's pregancy. That issue is irrelevant. I do think her family first pray for my pipeline moral authority act is hypocritical in the fase of an extra-maritial affair. There are all kinds of reasons to dislike her and think she is ill suited for office, this one is minor. As I said, it is up to the voter to decide what relevance this has. I think it speaks to her character.

Dnate Mars

I don't know about the greatest President ever, but it would have made life much more easier on everything had he just admitted it. It would have made impeachment near impossible.

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Asher Bertrand

Coco - not that I could even imagine you doing that - but something tells me that if you did, you would have enough introspection and freakin modesty than to harp on and on about how morals are declining and you and your people need to set the country right and God's on your side to do it. That's what's grinding our asses here. It's not that she had an affair, it's that if she did and then continues to act as though she's God's chosen frozen one - that stinks.

It'd be like finding the president of PETA eating a porterhouse at the Outback Steak House. It's not that I'm against steak at all, it's the discord between what is said and what is done.

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Who are you? And what have you done with Vertigo Paris?

Colette Meiji

Has Palin actually spoken out Against adultery and politics?

Or are we assuming she is very anti affair because she is of the religious right?

If she decried Clinton and Edwards she would be more "hypocritical" if she had an affair ..

Then if she had said that something else about those things.

Or said nothing.

Aimee Weber

I think Coco is saying that people (uh, OK let's be clear ... liberals) claim that an extra-marital affair speaks more to the character of a conservative than it does to the character of a liberal. (Clinton and Edwards? ... OK! Palin? BAD because she's is supposed to be all Christian and such with the preaching and the Bible and stuff.)

Coco (I believe) is just saying that human weakness with regards to sin is built into Christianity and that struggle with sin is part of being Christian. As such, it is not really hypocritical for a Christian to sin.

With the "ZOMG a Christian is sinning! What a load of BS" argument addressed, infidelity on the part of a Christian conservative should be seen in the same light as infidelity from a liberal democrat like Bill Clinton.

That's what I think Coco is saying. I could be wrong.

I personally think what I have always thought. When it's "Your guy" it's OK. When it's "their guy" it's ammunition.