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Lianne Marten · 09-25-2008, 09:45 PM

McCain seems more and more determined to completely piss off the media. Debates cost a ton of money, and take a lot of time to set up. If he just says "screw it, i'm not going," well... that wouldn't go over too well. These aren't people who take too well to being blown off on a regular basis. Just look how they are handling not being allowed anywhere near Palin except in rare, short interviews.

Edav Nomad · 09-25-2008, 11:18 PM

Huckabee: McCain Made A Huge Mistake - Alabama Mobile Mississippi Campaign 08 News - WKRG.com

Briar Bing · 09-25-2008, 11:23 PM

OMG the lefties got to Huckabee. There can be no other explanation!

**Pol** · 09-25-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

As the debate goes on, Obama will get a question on some thing in Iraq. He'll talk for about 4 minutes and spout all kinds of statisitcs and numbers and figures and come off like he spent all last week mastering the numbers of war.

Then McCain will smile, chuckle and say "look, I don't have a bunch of frilly numbers memorized to make my case. I was busy in Washington saving the economy with the rest of the Senate while my opponent here was reviewing his notes. But here's what I don't need to study: We need to......"

And then he'll sound like a guy that fires from the hip, does what he needs to do first, and what he wants to do second and so on.

That sounds like a conservative wet dream. The problem is...

Obama ain't Kerry.
And 2008 McCain ain't 2000 McCain.

Cocoanut Koala · 09-26-2008, 12:23 AM

Yes, well, on the other hand, you've got Bill Clinton going on TV and saying that he did it in good faith, not as a stunt.

Politics make strange bedfellows, indeed.

coco

Maureen Boccaccio · 09-26-2008, 10:30 AM

CNN.com: Sen. John McCain will participate in tonight's presidential debate.

**Cindy Claveau** · 09-26-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Maureen Boccaccio

CNN.com: Sen. John McCain will participate in tonight's presidential debate.

Wow. He really healed up fast.

McCain Delays Debate to Lengthen Legs | Weekly World News

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BREAKING NEWS! Senator McCain has asked for the Friday debate to be delayed so he may “focus on the economy”. But insiders tell Weekly World News it’s just a cover-up to hide his secret leg-lengthening surgery!

“I won’t be dwarfed by a Democrat!”, candidate declares.

Redhead · 09-26-2008, 10:36 AM

YES!

He is sooooo toast!

Asher Bertrand · 09-26-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

Then McCain will smile, chuckle and say "look, I don't have a bunch of frilly numbers memorized to make my case. I was busy in Washington saving the economy with the rest of the Senate while my opponent here was reviewing his notes. But here's what I don't need to study: We need to......"

Haha, apparently not! It sounds like all he did was sit there like a bump on a log and let the adults try to sort it out.

Merovigan · 09-26-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

Gotta disagree with you Mero.

Massive increases of mentally ill homeless people are a direct result of "care in the community" programs.

Closures of long term hospitals on both sides of the atlantic have led to huge numbers of mentally ill people on the streets.

Show me some numbers. From what I saw posted, it said that closing hospitals hadn't been an issue since the 1940's.

Beyond that, my main issue is with beggars, not homeless - they are not the same thing.

Merovigan · 09-26-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Well, it's not all that cut and dried.

Life savings can be wiped out by a bad economy, and wiped out by medical expenses. And may not be that much in the first place, unless you have had high-paying jobs, or if you had kids or various financial setbacks, etc.

We don't always have control over everything. Or, there could be a bad divorce and so forth. Put simply, life isn't necessarily financially easy for old people, even if they did everything right and planned as well as they could.

coco

I agree...and so long as I don't have to walk past grandma begging for money everyday, I'm good!

Arilynn · 09-26-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

Gotta disagree with you Mero.

Massive increases of mentally ill homeless people are a direct result of "care in the community" programs.

Closures of long term hospitals on both sides of the atlantic have led to huge numbers of mentally ill people on the streets.

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Originally Posted by Merovigan

Show me some numbers. From what I saw posted, it said that closing hospitals hadn't been an issue since the 1940's.

Beyond that, my main issue is with beggars, not homeless - they are not the same thing.

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From the Electronic Journal of Sociology: Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill: Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy

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During the early 1960s a series of initiatives designed to reform the mental health system were passed. At issue was the system of state run hospitals for the mentally ill, which were increasingly perceived as inhumane and, with the help of new medications, rather unnecessary for large portions of the patient population. In 1961, the Joint Commission on Mental Illness released Action for Mental Health, calling for the integration of the mentally ill into the general public with the aid of Community Mental Health Centers. In 1963, the Mental Retardation Facilities and Community Mental Health Centers instituted the centers, but due to the financial drain of the Vietnam War during the 1960s and the financial crisis of the 1970s, the program was not fully funded.1 The result was the release of patients into an environment lacking the Community Mental Health Centers to adequately treat them (Becker and Schulberg, 1976; DeLeonardis and Mauri, 1992; Hollingsworth, 1994; Rachlin, 1974; Rachlin et al, 1975; Saathoff et al, 1992; Shwed, 1978, 1980; Talbott, 1992; Worley and Lowery, 1988

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Cuts in funding for mental health services continued throughout the 1980s, with the emphasis being on the provision of services via the private sector. Overall, the number of beds available to the mentally ill in public and private hospitals dropped over forty percent between 1970 and 1984 (Reamer, 1989). Most of this decline was due to cuts in public hospitals. During the 1980s, the number of beds provided by general hospitals in psychiatric wards and in private hospitals for the mentally ill increased. In 1970, there were 150 private psychiatric centers; in 1980, there were 184; by 1988, there were 450 in the United States. General hospitals offering psychiatric services increased from 1,259 in 1984 to over two thousand in 1988 (Reamer, 1989, 25; LaFond and Durham, 1992, 115-16). With such growth in the private sector, there were substantial profits to be made in mental illness, assuming that the patient had adequate health insurance. Those without medical insurance frequently did not receive adequate care.
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Fade Languish · 09-26-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

As the debate goes on, Obama will get a question on some thing in Iraq. He'll talk for about 4 minutes and spout all kinds of statisitcs and numbers and figures and come off like he spent all last week mastering the numbers of war.

Then McCain will smile, chuckle and say "look, I don't have a bunch of frilly numbers memorized to make my case. I was busy in Washington saving the economy with the rest of the Senate while my opponent here was reviewing his notes. But here's what I don't need to study: We need to......"

And then he'll sound like a guy that fires from the hip, does what he needs to do first, and what he wants to do second and so on.

This prediction requires that Obama be so blindly stupid it's not funny. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what people are probably most worried about after this week.

jacqueline trudeau · 09-26-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

You heard it here first: Serenity's prediction:

McCain will show. IT will be at the last possible minute that he arrives but he'll be on stage.

As the debate goes on, Obama will get a question on some thing in Iraq. He'll talk for about 4 minutes and spout all kinds of statisitcs and numbers and figures and come off like he spent all last week mastering the numbers of war.

Then McCain will smile, chuckle and say "look, I don't have a bunch of frilly numbers memorized to make my case. I was busy in Washington saving the economy with the rest of the Senate while my opponent here was reviewing his notes. But here's what I don't need to study: We need to......"

And then he'll sound like a guy that fires from the hip, does what he needs to do first, and what he wants to do second and so on.

I expect there'll be a few jabs about how much he 'would have liked to stay on the campiagn trail' but that it's always been 'country first'. Or maybe even a "as much as I want to be president, I'm not going to sacrifice my duty to the People as a Senator just to make some campaign stops."

Assuming of course that some kind of bill is passed with his name on it within the next 24 hours.

Oh, and it's not like the news outlets aren't going to be talking about WHERE McCain is if he's not at the debates. He'll get a message out one way or another.

Serenity

Good luck with that scenario. The "savior" McCain was revealed as clueless at best and siding with far right obstructionists at worst.

Serenity · 09-26-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Good luck with that scenario. The "savior" McCain was revealed as clueless at best and siding with far right obstructionists at worst.

*shrug*

It all comes down to who shows up really.

As for "obstructionists", from what I've read of the Rep plan it's got it's merits but it's not as 'fast' as the one currently floating. For good or ill, they're all panicked (I think) to the point where they're afraid to consider something else for fear it'll take too long and it will all melt in the mean time.

Who knows?

It's way too early to predict how this will all playout and anyone that says anything with certainty about how it will look on Monday is either arrogant to the extreme or equally naive.

Serenity

jacqueline trudeau · 09-26-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Serenity

*shrug*

It's way too early to predict how this will all playout and anyone that says anything with certainty about how it will look on Monday is either arrogant to the extreme or equally naive.

Serenity

Just saying the chances of your thought of Sherrif McCain riding into tonight's debate after cleaning up the OK Corral is somewhere between slim and none.

Surreal · 09-26-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Merovigan

This is an interesting angle on it. I have to deal with beggars every day and, maybe it's just me, but after about 3 months of it I have zero empathy, patience or kindness for them.

Either do something useful in society or please die. K, thanks!

If you're not giving them money, why to they make you angry?

Joy Honey · 09-26-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

If you're not giving them money, why to they make you angry?

because then one has to face there is no Utopia?

09-25-2008, 09:45 PM	#201 (permalink)
Lianne Marten Grumpy Fun-Hater Bleh Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,748 My Mood: SL Join Date: 5/6/2004	McCain seems more and more determined to completely piss off the media. Debates cost a ton of money, and take a lot of time to set up. If he just says "screw it, i'm not going," well... that wouldn't go over too well. These aren't people who take too well to being blown off on a regular basis. Just look how they are handling not being allowed anywhere near Palin except in rare, short interviews. __________________

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Edav Nomad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,652 My Mood: SL Join Date: June 12, 2003	Huckabee: McCain Made A Huge Mistake - Alabama Mobile Mississippi Campaign 08 News - WKRG.com __________________

09-26-2008, 10:36 AM	#208 (permalink)
Redhead La Vie Boheme It's all relative Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Salem Oregon Posts: 3,953 My Mood: SL Join Date: January 2005	YES! He is sooooo toast! __________________ "Wit has truth in it; wisecracking is simply calisthenics with words" Dorothy Parker. Maddie Blaustein: the very definition of wit.

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