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Old 09-25-2008, 11:43 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Exactly, private enterprise would mean more prisoners, more profit.. which would lead to all kinds of nasty side effects..... like the war on drugs!
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like you're going to buy a pair of nike (or whatever) for 600 quid.. made in the US that is what they'll cost!
You have little faith in the dropping dollar. The workers at the Nike factory in the US will be paid in dollars, not quid or Euros. Since the dollar will almost certainly drop to a tenth of it's value after this bailout that Nike will be back to 60 quid.

I’ve always wanted to eat a $200 steak and in five years I will get my chance.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:58 AM   #128 (permalink)
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You have little faith in the dropping dollar. The workers at the Nike factory in the US will be paid in dollars, not quid or Euros. Since the dollar will almost certainly drop to a tenth of it's value after this bailout that Nike will be back to 60 quid.

I’ve always wanted to eat a $200 steak and in five years I will get my chance.
my god, if the US economy tanks completely, blood really will run the streets.. scary thought..
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Anyway , it's not McCain's job to save the economy in the next 48 hours - there are plenty others smarter than he working on it. His job is to run for president.
Boy, and hasn't he proved THAT point. The idea of McCain running back to DC to save us all just sends shivers down my spin.

McCain ranked 894 out of 899 in his graduating class at Annapolis. By his own admittance he's not especially savy about economics. "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," McCain said. "I've got Greenspan's book." Or, "I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. ..."

So this is the guy who's going to single-handedly save the US, and by extension the global, economy? Oh wait, he has a team of economic advisors. These must be the guys who just 2 weeks ago had McCain telling us our economy was sound.
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McCain helped cause the mess, perhaps his little black heart is feeling guilty?
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To do otherwise is, IMO, to attempt to steal whatever last bit of personal dignity the begger may possess. That is perhaps too high a price to pay for my dollar, both for him and for me.
This is an interesting angle on it. I have to deal with beggars every day and, maybe it's just me, but after about 3 months of it I have zero empathy, patience or kindness for them.

Either do something useful in society or please die. K, thanks!
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This is an interesting angle on it. I have to deal with beggars every day and, maybe it's just me, but after about 3 months of it I have zero empathy, patience or kindness for them.

Either do something useful in society or please die. K, thanks!
Tell me again, how is it you are a liberal?
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This is an interesting angle on it. I have to deal with beggars every day and, maybe it's just me, but after about 3 months of it I have zero empathy, patience or kindness for them.

Either do something useful in society or please die. K, thanks!
Thats a fucking disgrace...
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I'm no label

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Prov. 29:7. The righteous is concerned for the rights of the poor; the wicked does not understand such concern.
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Thats a fucking disgrace...
I'm going to write your opinion on a piece of paper and then file it in the trashcan.

Do you pass by bums EVERY DAY? Have you seen one hit up a group of kids and guilt them into paying him money for absolutely NO reason.

"Please give me money because I'm alive and you owe me for that!"

That's a fucking disgrace.
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Tell me again, how is it you are a liberal?
I'm so liberal my blood is pink, but kind of agree with him (not the plz die part). Most beggars aren't even poor, they're just useless and show up at the same spot every day to ask for handouts. There were some quite revealing exposes on PBS at one point, and they followed one panhandler back to his SUV and his suburban home. I also find it hard to believe that the ones who do need real help can't find SOMETHING to do, even if they find a tissue box and a string and a stick and start trying to make music. I've only ever given money to one or two beggars, both of them I actually believed their stories, and neither of them I saw after about a month. Otherwise, my money is always going to the musicians. They give something back.
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I am concerned with their rights so I must be righteous
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When I worked in the City I passed them every day...
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:58 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Make drugs legal, it will reduce the number of people reduced to poverty or imprisoned and on our dime because of drugs.
Agreed, and strike drug possession convictions off of the moral turpitude list, so i can go to NYC and visit Io
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When I worked in the City I passed them every day...
K, I guess I'm just more disgraceful in your eyes.

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Wait, seriously!? You can't come to the states because of a moral turpitude conviction?!
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When I worked in the City I passed them every day...
Then you must have noticed how a huge majority of them were there every day, working "shifts", on regular hours as smooth as clockwork. Never improving themselves or moving on, but just showing up year after year asking for YOUR money, rather than bothering to even look for anything of their own. I don't agree with Merovigan about almost ANYTHING ELSE (lol), but when I think of the "poor" we should be helping, it's not the beggars on the street. It's the single mothers working double shifts at two jobs, barely affording health insurance or having to get their 12 year old kid to get a job to help pay the rent. Those are the struggling people the government should make things easier for.
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I've never seen a beggar demand money, if you're stepping over them and feeling guilty for it then its your problem, if your not, then whats the problem?
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I will and have given some pocket change to people who told me they wanted to buy a bag of weed, as opposed to crack, through rotted and/or missing teeth.

I don't give a fuck what you want my money for; if you ask, I'll give you the loose coins that'll just end up on the laundry room floor anyway.


applying my own set of morals to the situation or, more annoyingly, sharing them with the beggar, is an exercise in futility.
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Then you must have noticed how a huge majority of them were there every day, working "shifts", on regular hours as smooth as clockwork. Never improving themselves or moving on, but just showing up year after year asking for YOUR money, rather than bothering to even look for anything of their own. I don't agree with Merovigan about almost ANYTHING ELSE (lol), but when I think of the "poor" we should be helping, it's not the beggars on the street. It's the single mothers working double shifts at two jobs, barely affording health insurance or having to get their 12 year old kid to get a job to help pay the rent. Those are the struggling people the government should make things easier for.
The beggars I have a problem with are the disruptive ones. In lanes of traffic begging with a child strapped onto them, or squeegying filthy water all over the car window and waiting for change before cleaning the shit off... sitting on a street with a cup is ok by me..
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Then you must have noticed how a huge majority of them were there every day, working "shifts", on regular hours as smooth as clockwork. Never improving themselves or moving on, but just showing up year after year asking for YOUR money, rather than bothering to even look for anything of their own. I don't agree with Merovigan about almost ANYTHING ELSE (lol), but when I think of the "poor" we should be helping, it's not the beggars on the street. It's the single mothers working double shifts at two jobs, barely affording health insurance or having to get their 12 year old kid to get a job to help pay the rent. Those are the struggling people the government should make things easier for.
And what's harsh about that single mother is that she hasn't got the time to sit outside a federal building, or the metro, saying "Can you please help me...?"

No, she's too busy trying to help herself in a system that's designed for her to never get ahead.

Sorry...the is coming out.

Give if it makes you feel are warm and fuzzy inside - it just doens't do that for me.
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I've never seen a beggar demand money, if you're stepping over them and feeling guilty for it then its your problem, if your not, then whats the problem?
I guess I've had some more aggressive beggars, I've been followed down the street by them more times than I can count, and it's damn creepy. If I didn't have my man by me I might have run or called the cops. Most of the beggars I've encountered will walk to your car at crowded intersections, knock on the windows, shout at you through the glass. Either that, or wait outside busy stores like CVS, hold the door open for you and then put their cup right in front of you so you have to really step around it. I don't mind the ones that just sit anywhere near as much as the pushy ones, but it does garner a hostile response when they just shove a cup in your face, and don't even say a word, just SHAKE it at you.

No thanks, I'll save my quarters and loose change for the guy over there who's playing Sweet Home Alabama on his beat up acoustic guitar
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It bears mentioning that, at least in the U.S., more than half of the homeless population are too mentally ill to get or keep a job.
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It bears mentioning that, at least in the U.S., more than half of the homeless population are too mentally ill to get or keep a job.
Weird..I know a dude with Downs Syndrome who works. *shrug*

Sucks to be them.
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