RandoymRandt

Hmmmm....

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Gigs

I would say that's highly illegal and unconstitutional, but it's not, not really anymore.

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Bams

Civil unrest and crowd control? Unruly and Dangerous individuals. Love the vague speech there. Am I the only one that thinks this is a tiny bit on the scary side?

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Richie Waves

hmm.. I remember posting a thread to Second Citizen ages back to do with this... I was called a conspiracy nut..

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RandoymRandt

Duuuude, that's because it wasn't on VIDEO.

Mereille

But Richie...you *are* a conspiracy nut.

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Cindy Claveau

Take a look at their website and tell me they're totally unbiased.

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Vivianne Draper

well Cindy they might be biased but either they are flat out lying and a military troop isn't going to be stationed inside the U.S., or they are telling the truth and a military troop IS going to be stationed inside the U.S. And if it is, it IS the first time its ever happened.

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Merovigan

Right, because broken clocks are ALWAYS wrong.

Oh, except for that twice per day thing...but, ya know, keep playing the odds.

The American military has been playing a larger role in police efforts in our country.

Frankly, I hope they use REAL American military in this new role and not contractors. It's one thing to be stripped of your rights by an American wearing camo and an M16. It's another thing to have a mercenary do it.

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Vivianne Draper

I don't understand the laugh. I mean it looks like an either or thing to me. Are you saying they are lying? Is my logic that either the military will be posted here or they won't somehow wrong? what is laughable about my statement?

Cindy Claveau

It's bullshit, Viv. We've called out troops to control crowds before, but they were National Guard. We still have National Guard troops in every state - what could one single brigade of regular troops do that the NG couldn't do in case of riots or disasters?

I think the whackos are just over-reacting to the Warner Act. But that was passed in '06. It's old news now. I can't say I like the sounds of the bill, but it's never been invoked:

Establishing martial law in the United States - SourceWatch

Edit: I wasn't laughing at you, Viv. I just think the original post was silly, as is this whole topic. Let's elect Obama and repeal the fucking thing

Tyche Shepherd

It looks like they are telling the truth ... unless this site is biased as well - Less mention of use in civil unrest but the basics are correct. (EDIT - Actually use in civil unrest is mentioned )

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Merovigan

And the national guard is under state control.

This would be the federal government putting federal troops on state land.

Which could lead to the state and the feds fighting.

Which is why this is kind of a big deal.

Cindy Claveau

Maybe Bush thinks there will be rioting in the streets if McCain wins

Cindy Claveau

Oh, please, federal troops and the NG aren't going to "fight".

Think of the triggers for something like this to actually happen - the Wiki article I linked mentioned Katrina. That'd be one. Does somebody actually think we're going to have civil unrest over something soon? (Ok, maybe millions of pensioners rioting on Wall Street wanting their retirement funds back, but hey, hose 'em down).


Any time the state Guard doesn't have the manpower or resources to maintain civil order in an area, who they gonna call?

The paranoia over this involves the spectre of Federal troops firing into crowds of civilians. Someone's seen too many movies -- the only people who have fired into crowds of U.S. civilians in the last 50 years have been National Guardsmen from Ohio.

Oh, and using Federal troops for domestic emergencies isn't a new thing:

03/20/1965: LBJ sends federal troops to Alabama - Truveo Video Search

One Hand Clapping » Blog Archive » La. Gov. to ask for federal troops

Little Rock School Integration Anniversary, 50 Years Ago Federal Troops Escorted Black Students Into White School - CBS News

Lourdes

It helps if you warn is at the start of the thread to put on your tinfoil hats. *sigh*

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Cindy Claveau

I was in the other room pouring coffee and had this flash of insight:

Is it possible that one of the eventualities the Warner Act anticipates is a nuclear attack on a US city? The Wiki article mentions Katrina, and that's the most likely scenario but I have a hard time believing they needed a special bill to send Federal assistance of any sort to a hurricane disaster.

The sorts of events that would overwhelm state and local aid agencies would be a short list: hurricanes and a nuke. That's about it. If so, that's a little sobering, but I still don't understand why they thought a special bill was needed granting the President authority to send troops without being asked. States have chains of command just like the feds.

RandoymRandt

Ciiiindy, I put the question mark there for a reason...

(on the other thread by gigs I did mention I wasn't sure if this was sensationalized or not, but you missed that, my bad).

Cindy Claveau

Don't sweat it, I'm off today and it makes for an interesting discussion even if the paranoia's a little nuts

Psyke Phaeton

Sounds like preparations in case of economic melt down.

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Merovigan

I find your lack of imagination troubling.

The economy

The war

The election

A bad Piston's game

The "Detainee" prisons Haliburton has built have to hold someone. That was the first step. The next is to get a federal military into the country to enforce whatever the feds have setup. And of course our army won't fight the NG...most of active NG is in Iraq!

Our state's sovereignty is being undermined by the executive branch but, right, anything that isn't mainstream thought must be a conspiracy. K. Whatever.

Brave Republic

you people crack me up. Domestic Missions have always been a part of what the military does. Mainly its been state and national guard and reservists, but active duty troops can be called in as well.

These turn of events are most likely in reaction to all of the major natural disasters that have happened recently--ever think of that scenario --man I just can't stop laughing at this 1984 doom and gloom, stuff.

Cases in point:

- 82nd Airborne recently providing that same mission as well as assisting in cleaning up in New Orleans. (oh and didnt they show up in Little Rock to enforce school integration in early 1960's?)

-The New York guard being called out for the Attica prison uprising in 1972

-guard and active units units stationed in DC around capital & White House during Vietnam War era

-Watt's riots


How your rights are being taken away is beyond me.

But of course it's all a conspiracy. The NWO and the CFR using the UN army will take over America following all those stickers on the backs of stop signs to get to your house and take away the TV remote and computer

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Cindy Claveau

I find your gullibility even more troubling.

When's that ever happened? Not even in the Depression of the '30s did Americans riot in the streets.

Iraq's almost over. The time to riot over it was in 2003.

One side or the other has to get the majority of electoral votes. So it's fair to assume that the majority of Americans are going to be satisfied with the outcome. Were there riots in 2000?

A local police problem.

Lulz. Time for some new buzzwords. "Haliburton" is so 2004.

No, it's not. That's factually incorrect.

http://ftp.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22451.pdf

We have 460,000 guardsmen. Roughly 15,000 have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. That's around 3% of the total available.

Maybe if you had some facts to back your points up you wouldn't look so nutty