Mukatsuku

The CoE has apologised to Darwin for criticising his theory of evolution, in a move to show people that they also think the intelligent design brigade are a bunch of nutters.

Church makes ‘ludicrous’ apology to Charles Darwin - 126 years after his death | Mail Online

Good news about this is that in England, the creationists will never succeed in getting evolution taken out of schools now that even the church says creationism isn't the truth.

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Walker

Did ole Charlie accept?

Lo Jacobs

I guess you can ask him when you're dead.

Oh wait, probably not

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Mukatsuku

His great-great-grandson said it was ludicrous because they are apologising too late

Arilynn

If people spoke English there, I would move in a minute.

Richie Waves

Thank Christ for sanity, its late in the day to be apologising to Darwin, but the statement it makes is gold!

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Aimee Weber

An apology is nice (though Darwin's great grandson, Andrew Darwin, called the gesture "pointless" and believes it has more to do with reforming the CoE's image than to make genuine amends) but you know what would be even better ...

... for the Church to promise that the next time scientists publish theories and ideas that may contradict Church doctrine based on a formidable amount of evidence, they will scrutinize the theory scientifically with empirical evidence in a rational scientific way rather than demonizing, obfuscating, misrepresenting and/or silencing them.

But I do mean it when I say kudos to the CoE on this one. I'm looking forward to when American fundamentalists join the sanity.

Aodhan McDunnough

Well the Catholic Church also somewhat recently forgave Galileo for supporting the Copernican (heliocentric) model of the solar system over the Ptolemaic geocentric model.

Still a good move. It might be pointless to the Darwins, but it's not just an image thing. When the religious hierarchy makes such a pronouncement, it filters to a large part of the congregation. Even if the majority have long adopted that evolution is not only real, but it also not truly in conflict with the faith, it still matters that the Church says it explicitly.

Mukatsuku

Just adding an update - the CoE is going even further and totally slamming creationists and will publish a website saying Darwin is right and is what should be taught in schools. They are worried by people like Palin who try to stop people learning.

They still want the idea of creationism taught, but not as a science as they don't agree with it being literal.

So, the CoE thinks Palin is nuts cool

Mukatsuku

Oops, forgot linky
Anglicans back Darwin over 'noisy' creationists -Times Online

Ewan Took

It's insane that science has to defend itself against
the creationists.

It's like the last 500 years never happened.

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Cindy Claveau

Science is fully capable of defending itself - when your position is based on evidence and testing, and you're willing to adapt to new evidence, that's not the issue. But it's difficult to convince people who simply don't listen or refuse to understand what you're saying.

Just once in my last decade of discussing evolution on the web, I'd have loved to encounter a creationist who didn't misrepresent science and evolution. But they're batting 1.00 so far, as every single one of them has been jousting with their own half-baked, ill-informed version of evolution rather than the real Theory of Evolution. I guess maybe it's easier to knock down that way?

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Aimee Weber

You know, the theory that we're all just a bunch of monkeys *IS* just a theory. You know that right? Kind of like that time somebody was eating my lunch at work, and I had a theory that it was Stu from accounting. But it wasn't. It was Eric from Technical Support. Evolution is the same thing.

Now Eric ... *HE'S* a monkey.

Cindy Claveau

Mukatsuku

Sorry, but I don't believe they are in our evolutionary line

detrius

Three predictions:

1. The Church of England will backpedal, officials will put out a statement, shrouding the position of their church in vagueness.
2. American Creationists will come up with a bunch of creative arguments for why Anglicans aren't "True Christians".
3. Ben Stein will make a new documentary, reminding everyone of how the first European colonists in North America were persecuted by the Church of England, underlining his message with pictures of worn-out people and somehow attributing the course of history to the Theory of Evolution.

"Those poor people! Look at what Darwin did to them!"

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Mukatsuku

Bush will use this in his next speech to prove that Britain is not the US's ally and needs to be invaded since they are polluting All-American Christian beliefs (ie, for All-American read "what Georgie boy believes because not believing him is unpatriotic")

detrius

The only thing Bush is going to do for the rest of his life is cutting mesquite on his farm in Texas, strictly isolated from the rest of the world so he can continue living in his bubble. Don't expect anything relevant from him for the rest of his Presidency.

Eboni Khan

I really don't understand how the church can turn its back on creationism. What are they going to teach the kiddies in Sunday School? Are they planning on ignoring Genesis?

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Ingrid

I still don't understand how they got the dinosaurs on the boat.

Richie Waves

They don't need to be incompatible... that's whats so fucking annoying...

Eboni Khan

The Dinosaurs were already gone.

Eboni Khan

Evolutionists seem to deem creation as completely impossible, but creationist are support to accept evolution. They do seem incompatible of one is treated as completely ridiculous and the people that believe it are bible thumping idiots.

Richie Waves

Well, we are looking for the "God particle"

Aodhan McDunnough

"Let there be light" = Big Bang

Plants appeared, then animals appeared, then man appeared = Evolution

"Adam" = Man
"Eve" = Life

Genesis was written by Moses for an audience that doesn't even know what a planet is. Don't expect him to write like Einstein. God is wise, He knows how not to write. We learned evolution in science class, along with that we learned critical thinking. There is no conflict between Genesis and Evolution at all.

The Church (Catholic) as it stands I don't think is Creationist, and I don't think the CoE at present is much different. I was Catholic educated btw and Creation was never forced down our throats, not for a second in my 17 years of education.