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Surreal Farber · 09-05-2008, 10:23 AM

No.. I think you're just trying to whitewash a double standard and butt into a family's personal business.

Do you want all of us butting into your family and deciding based on our personal criteria if you should be allowed to do whatever it is you do?

My guess is no.

juro · 09-05-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Merovigan

The people who should fill these jobs are the childless or the people with children above a certain age.

I thought we were aiming for the best qualified.

IMO, she has every right to run as anyone else. She has a partner to help raise the kids and there are plenty of families where one parent works one or more jobs to keep the household going.

Beau Perkins · 09-05-2008, 10:27 AM

Um, Obama has young children. I guess he has to drop from the race. Drats.

Lourdes Denimore · 09-05-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Merovigan

You're right, I should raise this issue more often, but in that case I think I'd be preaching to the choir while in this one I am being cast as holding a woman back from her dreams. Isn't that interesting?

Well that's just callous.

Its not callous. Her kids will be fine she is making the choice to pursue that career and has the means to see that her children are taken care of. Its not a cause worth championing.

As opposed to a woman who is forced to work 3 jobs and leave her kids with what ever care she can manage to afford. I'd rather energy be spent on this issue.

Morgaine Alter · 09-05-2008, 10:28 AM

I think I see where you are coming from, but there will also be positive things for her children also if she is elected. Seeing her in such a powerful position being the first female to hold that office. I am sure she will be available to her kids, its not abandonment. However, I cannot lie and say these things did not cross my mind. How can a mom balance all this and stay true to her young children, one with Downs. But what mom doesnt face this in some degree or another?

ps Kennedy had small children.

Midi Reifsnider · 09-05-2008, 10:29 AM

FWIW I happen to think that it is better for a child of pre-school age to be at home with one of it's parents. That said, there are very few families who can afford to do that, and it's become the norm to use childcare and relatives to help with the childcare.

In all honesty, I don't think there's much point in singling this woman out, it's a much larger issue, and it can only serve to further her cause by rallying working mothers everywhere to her side.

Lucifer Baphomet · 09-05-2008, 10:32 AM

Epic fail Mero.

Focus on the fact she's a Crazy talibaptist fascist bitch rather than superficial crap with no bearing on the issues.

BTW, when did you go gorean?

Ewan Took · 09-05-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Merovigan

I woulda, if I cared about Tony Blair or the UK.

Whether you do or not, it's still an example of how wrong you are about managing a job with young children. Our current PM and leaders of the opposition have young families too. Is there something unique about Americans that make them unable to be caring parents and work in the public sector?

Sansarya · 09-05-2008, 10:35 AM

Anyone can take one look at those kids and see they're not neglected, despite their mother being governor at present.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

Epic fail Mero.

Focos on the fact she's a Crazy talibaptist fascist bitch rather than superficial crap with no bearing on the issues.

BTW, when did you go gorean?

It's my opinion and not the only reason I won't vote for a her/mccain ticket. It's just my response to a parent of a 2 year old running for vice president.

I also think it's comical to see people compare day-jobs (non-elected positions) to the highest elected position in the country. Yeah, they're comparable - in the way that plastic army men are comparable to nuclear weapons.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sansarya

Anyone can take one look at those kids and see they're not neglected, despite their mother being governor at present.

Yeah...lots of mindful parents produce underage drinkers who get knocked up before they can vote.

Oh, and lots of responsible women decide to have children at 42 when the risk of downs syndrome is, what...12%?

Then run for an elected office because, really, would you want to have to take full responsibility for a special needs child?

Beau Perkins · 09-05-2008, 10:38 AM

In all reality. The VP does crap. She is going to show up and speak when needed. I bet I do more travel than she will have to do.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ewan Took

Whether you do or not, it's still an example of how wrong you are about managing a job with young children. Our current PM and leaders of the opposition have young families too. Is there something unique about Americans that make them unable to be caring parents and work in the public sector?

No, other countries can produce craptacular parents too.

Hey, isn't it general public opinion that parents aren't doing their jobs? In schools? In life? Are we supposed to put that aside now? "Oh right, she won't be able to attend parent-teacher conference night because she'll be meeting with Putin, but it's fine, her nanny will!"

Double standards, for the epic loss of our culture.

Mereille · 09-05-2008, 10:40 AM

Mero...stop being an ass.

If you want to criticize her, stick to her executive and legislative skills, not her parenting.

Or is your real goal with this thread to piss off every woman on SLU?

Beau Perkins · 09-05-2008, 10:40 AM

Just for the record Mero. Are you saying you hold fathers to the same standard? Do you feel that neither parent should accept such a position?

If that is the case this is not sexist. It is just flawed logic in my opinion but it does change what you are saying.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mereille

If you want to criticize her, stick to her executive and legislative skills, not her parenting.

Nah. Free country, free speech, I have opinions, I share them.

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Or is your real goal with this thread to piss off every woman on SLU?

My real goal was to clearly articulate my opinion of this (small) issue and I think I've done so. How you and the rest of the women (since you think that you speak for them, even the ones who have so far said "I see your point") on SLU react is your own issue. At least you know you're reacting to my truthful opinion.

Ewan Took · 09-05-2008, 10:42 AM

BTW Is this the reciprocate thread for the McCain is too old one?

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Beau Perkins

Just for the record Mero. Are you saying you hold fathers to the same standard? Do you feel that neither parent should accept such a position?

Nah, Blair can eat a dick too for the same thing. Kennedy as well. Keep naming Presidents with young children, I'll keep telling you that my opinion of them is that they were craptacular parents.

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If that is the case this is not sexist. It is just flawed logic in my opinion but it does change what you are saying.

The day I rely on your logic is the day I stop being Mero.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lourdes Denimore

Its not callous. Her kids will be fine she is making the choice to pursue that career and has the means to see that her children are taken care of. Its not a cause worth championing.

I don't think I'm championing so much as sharing my reaction and opinion. I'm not holding any banners, I just spit when I think of what she's doing to her family.

There are lots of ways to be raised "Fine." There are few ways to be raised "Well."

Well means not getting knocked up when you're 17. Fine means the opposite.

Well means having mommy tuck you in at night. Fine is having hired help do it.

We're all losing our way as parents, from the dads who leave young mothers to the working parents who think their kids will be "just fine" being raised by hired help.

This is a symptom, and these are my comments on this particular case.

Beau Perkins · 09-05-2008, 10:51 AM

Ok, Mero is not saying mothers cant work. He is saying he believes both parents should be present.

Sorry for nailing you as sexist Mero. This is not. In a way I agree with you that Parents do not look at raising a child as the most important task they have at hand.

I should have asked for that clarification before I spoke, my bad.

Edit to add- I do not fully agree, I think having one parent there full time if possible is ideal. Father or Mother. If she is VP and he is Mr. Mom. There is no problem with that.

Merovigan · 09-05-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by juro

...there are plenty of families where one parent works one or more jobs to keep the household going.

How's that working out?

09-05-2008, 10:27 AM	#28 (permalink)
Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I'm a heretical Jew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 6,086 SL Join Date: 12/24/2003 My Mood:	Um, Obama has young children. I guess he has to drop from the race. Drats. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone, but it all works out It doesn't matter much to me -John Lennon.

09-05-2008, 10:28 AM	#30 (permalink)
Morgaine Alter day dreamer report to follow Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: under the moon & stars Posts: 413 SL Join Date: 12/07 My Mood:	I think I see where you are coming from, but there will also be positive things for her children also if she is elected. Seeing her in such a powerful position being the first female to hold that office. I am sure she will be available to her kids, its not abandonment. However, I cannot lie and say these things did not cross my mind. How can a mom balance all this and stay true to her young children, one with Downs. But what mom doesnt face this in some degree or another? ps Kennedy had small children. __________________ I give you fair warning before you attempt me further, I am not what you supposed, but far different. ~W.Whitman Last edited by Morgaine Alter; 09-05-2008 at 10:32 AM.. Reason: what else grammur

09-05-2008, 10:29 AM	#31 (permalink)
Midi Reifsnider Miss Midipenny I'm alright, thanks Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,192 SL Join Date: Sept 2007 My Mood:	FWIW I happen to think that it is better for a child of pre-school age to be at home with one of it's parents. That said, there are very few families who can afford to do that, and it's become the norm to use childcare and relatives to help with the childcare. In all honesty, I don't think there's much point in singling this woman out, it's a much larger issue, and it can only serve to further her cause by rallying working mothers everywhere to her side. __________________ www.twitter.com/MidiReifsnider

09-05-2008, 10:32 AM	#32 (permalink)
Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 6,485 Business: Radio Free Darkmere	Epic fail Mero. Focus on the fact she's a Crazy talibaptist fascist bitch rather than superficial crap with no bearing on the issues. BTW, when did you go gorean? __________________

09-05-2008, 10:40 AM	#39 (permalink)
Mereille Senior Member Happily spoken for Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,048 My Mood:	Mero...stop being an ass. If you want to criticize her, stick to her executive and legislative skills, not her parenting. Or is your real goal with this thread to piss off every woman on SLU? __________________ I don't know why I think I can manage Second Life....just look at my First Life! Gah!

09-05-2008, 10:23 AM	#26 (permalink)
Surreal Farber Treacherous BiSexual Doesn't Suffer Fools Gladly Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,286 SLShopper Ads: 6 My Mood:	No.. I think you're just trying to whitewash a double standard and butt into a family's personal business. Do you want all of us butting into your family and deciding based on our personal criteria if you should be allowed to do whatever it is you do? My guess is no.

09-05-2008, 10:35 AM	#34 (permalink)
Sansarya Koo Koo Kachoo! uhhhh...? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rosebud Posts: 277 SL Join Date: April 2005 My Mood:	Anyone can take one look at those kids and see they're not neglected, despite their mother being governor at present.

09-05-2008, 10:38 AM	#37 (permalink)
Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I'm a heretical Jew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 6,086 SL Join Date: 12/24/2003 My Mood:	In all reality. The VP does crap. She is going to show up and speak when needed. I bet I do more travel than she will have to do.

09-05-2008, 10:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I'm a heretical Jew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 6,086 SL Join Date: 12/24/2003 My Mood:	Just for the record Mero. Are you saying you hold fathers to the same standard? Do you feel that neither parent should accept such a position? If that is the case this is not sexist. It is just flawed logic in my opinion but it does change what you are saying.

09-05-2008, 10:42 AM	#42 (permalink)
Ewan Took Numpty Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scottish Isles Posts: 1,933 My Mood:	BTW Is this the reciprocate thread for the McCain is too old one?

09-05-2008, 10:51 AM	#45 (permalink)
Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I'm a heretical Jew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 6,086 SL Join Date: 12/24/2003 My Mood:	Ok, Mero is not saying mothers cant work. He is saying he believes both parents should be present. Sorry for nailing you as sexist Mero. This is not. In a way I agree with you that Parents do not look at raising a child as the most important task they have at hand. I should have asked for that clarification before I spoke, my bad. Edit to add- I do not fully agree, I think having one parent there full time if possible is ideal. Father or Mother. If she is VP and he is Mr. Mom. There is no problem with that.