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**Envoy Costagravas** · 09-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

People in this thread and that Huff post dealie were dismissing Alaska entirely based on its population - is her comment more crazy than that?

Dear, I have written at least three times about the absurdity of conflating the term experience. I have posted the notion of what the experience is, not how long, or in what position. YOU brought it up, and I am not one who devalued the state of Alaska or it's need for effective and efficient government.

But simply taking a title and adding that to experience - Governor of the largest state in the Union - is meaningless when compared to the actual tasks of governance and management. Her task was a lot easier than many, many, many other public servants, and her job performance has to be looked at in that light as well.

Capiche?

Lucifer Baphomet · 09-03-2008, 01:24 PM

jacqueline trudeau · 09-03-2008, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Io Zeno

And why do you people think I just got up when I log into SLU, lol? It's 1:30 in the afternoon here.

I do not allow forum trolling before noon is all or I would never get anything done.

Not convinced! You are addicted to Palin crack just as much as the rest of us!

Colette Meiji · 09-03-2008, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isablan Neva

BZZZZZZZZTTTTT

Wrong. Care to try again?

Karl Rove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Before you go to far please notice I said *SOME* in my comment.

"some of his tricks" The some wasn't just post-filler.

Lucifer Baphomet · 09-03-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Not convinced! You are addicted to Palin crack just as much as the rest of us!

Is Palin crack Republican camel toe?

jacqueline trudeau · 09-03-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Alaska would be a challenging state to Govern for several reasons ..

The resource based Industries are pretty important to the whole country. The fact all the industries are so spread apart. The difficulties with the Sunless winters, etc.

Would it compare to say running California? I wouldn't think so.

But It would definitely have as many challenges as a lot of states with much larger populations.

That may be so. But the absurd claim put forth by the republican side that it gives her "international experience" is not helping in burnishing those credentials at all - it just opens up avenues of ridicule.

hope Antonelli · 09-03-2008, 01:31 PM

Southern Baptist, thank you..and proud of it. My husband and I together make a little over 100k a year; he's a pilot in the USAF so yes I'm pro-military. I'm not against blacks, so drop the KKK BS. I find myself moderate on most social issues to be honest. I have no problem with abortion if the life of the mother is truly in danger; but not as a means of birth control (and yes, I worked in a labor and delivery ward when I was an RN where I saw that several times; 7 pregnancies, this was their 1st or 2nd actual delivery, x number of abortions..its asked on the medical history and it DOES differentiate from spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) vs induced ones) or just because the baby might have some slight genetic flaws or is an inconvenience to the mother. Should have thought about that before you took the chance with unprotected sex. My middle son lives with his girlfriend, I'd prefer they waited til they were married but at least I taught him to use protection if they are going to have sex. I don't support giving welfare and free medical care to illegals, I think anyone who wants to be a member of our society should berequired to learn English. I don't want to be forced to pay taxes to fund abortion, bigger government or taxing the corporations that supply jobs to the point that they leave the country lock stock and barrel taking millions of jobs with them. I am all for drilling and making use of our own resources instead of being held hostage to foreign oil; but I also support nuclear energy, clean coal and investing more into finding alternative fuels...but not at the expense of the world's food supply. Do I blieve Putin is a threat, and would love to see the recreation of the Soviet Union? Most definitely. Is there progress being made for a democracy in Iraq? We just returned control of the largest province in the country to the Iraqi's yesterday, so I think that speaks for itself. Do I believe in creationism? Yes. Do I think evolution can be taught as a -theory-? yes. Are the two necessarily exclusive of one another? I really dont know. Is it biased sometimes? Most likely..Ive never supported the democrats ideas of big governments and socialism and never will. Too many people have sacrificed their lives to keep this country free of communist ideals for us to give up without a whimper. So there..me in a nutshell. I do a lot of research because I believe in being an informed voter. You don't have to agree with me; I really could care less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

Richie Waves · 09-03-2008, 01:32 PM

YouTube - Sarah Palin: Iraq is a task from God

funny.. the Muslim suicide bombers say the same thing...

Lucifer Baphomet · 09-03-2008, 01:32 PM

hope,

Paragraphs...

Have you heard of them?

Richie Waves · 09-03-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

Southern Baptist, thank you..and proud of it. My husband and I together make a little over 100k a year; he's a pilot in the USAF so yes I'm pro-military. I'm not against blacks, so drop the KKK BS. I find myself moderate on most social issues to be honest. I have no problem with abortion if the life of the mother is truly in danger; but not as a means of birth control (and yes, I worked in a labor and delivery ward when I was an RN where I saw that several times; 7 pregnancies, this was their 1st or 2nd actual delivery, x number of abortions..its asked on the medical history and it DOES differentiate from spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) vs induced ones) or just because the baby might have some slight genetic flaws or is an inconvenience to the mother. Should have thought about that before you took the chance with unprotected sex. My middle son lives with his girlfriend, I'd prefer they waited til they were married but at least I taught him to use protection if they are going to have sex. I don't support giving welfare and free medical care to illegals, I think anyone who wants to be a member of our society should berequired to learn English. I don't want to be forced to pay taxes to fund abortion, bigger government or taxes the corporations that supply jobs to the point that they leave the country lock stock and barrel taking millions of jobs with them. I am all for drilling and making use of our own resources instead of being held hostage to foreign oil; but I also support nuclear energy, clean coal and investing more into finding alternative fuels...but not at the expense of the world's food supply. Do I blieve Putin is a threat, and would love to see the recreation of the Soviet Union? Most definitely. Is there progress being made for a democracy in Iraq? We just returned control of the largest province in the country to the Iraqi's yesterday, so I think that speaks for itself. Do I believe in creationism? Yes. Do I think evolution can be taught as a -theory-? yes. Are the two necessarily exclusive of one another? I really dont know. Is it biased sometimes? Most likely..Ive never supported the democrats ideas of big governments and socialism and never will. Too many people have sacrificed their lives to keep this country free of communist ideals for us to give up without a whimper. So there..me in a nutshell. I do a lot of research because I believe in being an informed voter. You don't have to agree with me; I really could care less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

Clearly Paragraphs are a socialist thing to use...

**Io Zeno** · 09-03-2008, 01:35 PM

It's like Bush being Governor of Texas, sounds impressive unless you know how ceremonial the post is and that the Lieutenant Governor ran most of the day to day business.

Mereille · 09-03-2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

Southern Baptist, thank you..and proud of it. My husband and I together make a little over 100k a year; he's a pilot in the USAF so yes I'm pro-military. I'm not against blacks, so drop the KKK BS. I find myself moderate on most social issues to be honest. I have no problem with abortion if the life of the mother is truly in danger; but not as a means of birth control (and yes, I worked in a labor and delivery ward when I was an RN where I saw that several times; 7 pregnancies, this was their 1st or 2nd actual delivery, x number of abortions..its asked on the medical history and it DOES differentiate from spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) vs induced ones) or just because the baby might have some slight genetic flaws or is an inconvenience to the mother. Should have thought about that before you took the chance with unprotected sex. My middle son lives with his girlfriend, I'd prefer they waited til they were married but at least I taught him to use protection if they are going to have sex. I don't support giving welfare and free medical care to illegals, I think anyone who wants to be a member of our society should berequired to learn English. I don't want to be forced to pay taxes to fund abortion, bigger government or taxing the corporations that supply jobs to the point that they leave the country lock stock and barrel taking millions of jobs with them. I am all for drilling and making use of our own resources instead of being held hostage to foreign oil; but I also support nuclear energy, clean coal and investing more into finding alternative fuels...but not at the expense of the world's food supply. Do I blieve Putin is a threat, and would love to see the recreation of the Soviet Union? Most definitely. Is there progress being made for a democracy in Iraq? We just returned control of the largest province in the country to the Iraqi's yesterday, so I think that speaks for itself. Do I believe in creationism? Yes. Do I think evolution can be taught as a -theory-? yes. Are the two necessarily exclusive of one another? I really dont know. Is it biased sometimes? Most likely..Ive never supported the democrats ideas of big governments and socialism and never will. Too many people have sacrificed their lives to keep this country free of communist ideals for us to give up without a whimper. So there..me in a nutshell. I do a lot of research because I believe in being an informed voter. You don't have to agree with me; I really could care less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

Wall...of...text...eyes...glazing...can't...think. ..

Hope, hon, if we're going to get along here, could you format a bit better? That is very, very difficult to read.

Isablan Neva · 09-03-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Before you go to far please notice I said *SOME* in my comment.

"some of his tricks" The some wasn't just post-filler.

Sorry, not buying it. Not that Carville isn't his own brand of loony or a saint, but Rove had bigger inspirations.

Quote:

1986. In a strategy memo Rove wrote for his client prior to the race, now among Clements's papers in the Texas A&M University library, Rove quoted Napoleon: "The whole art of war consists in a well-reasoned and extremely circumspect defensive, followed by rapid and audacious attack."

Colette Meiji · 09-03-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Envoy Costagravas

Dear, I have written at least three times about the absurdity of conflating the term experience. I have posted the notion of what the experience is, not how long, or in what position. YOU brought it up, and I am not one who devalued the state of Alaska or it's need for effective and efficient government.

But simply taking a title and adding that to experience - Governor of the largest state in the Union - is meaningless when compared to the actual tasks of governance and management. Her task was a lot easier than many, many, many other public servants, and her job performance has to be looked at in that light as well.

Capiche?

Why would people use something like ---

"Dear," when trying to tell someone they are wrong?

Or all smileys at the end?

When they wouldn't when saying something to a poster they agree with.

Do they think the "friendly comment" takes the edge off something they are about to say, or just said?

I have never found it takes the edge off at all.

And often is more annoying than helpful.

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I would think keep things neutral during a debate, and more friendly during a non-debate.

Not the opposite.

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My initial reaction to the post above was "Don't "Dear" me! "

But I thought it over and figured you just don't put any thought into it.

-----------------------------------------

As to my post - I obviously wasn't referring to just you. So I do not see why you felt it necessary to quantify your personal history of comments about Palin's governor experience.

Several people on this very thread DID dismiss the experience on the population basis.

**Io Zeno** · 09-03-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

Southern Baptist, thank you..and proud of it. My husband and I together make a little over 100k a year; he's a pilot in the USAF so yes I'm pro-military. I'm not against blacks, so drop the KKK BS.

I find myself moderate on most social issues to be honest. I have no problem with abortion if the life of the mother is truly in danger; but not as a means of birth control (and yes, I worked in a labor and delivery ward when I was an RN where I saw that several times; 7 pregnancies, this was their 1st or 2nd actual delivery, x number of abortions..its asked on the medical history and it DOES differentiate from spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) vs induced ones) or just because the baby might have some slight genetic flaws or is an inconvenience to the mother. Should have thought about that before you took the chance with unprotected sex. My middle son lives with his girlfriend, I'd prefer they waited til they were married but at least I taught him to use protection if they are going to have sex.

I don't support giving welfare and free medical care to illegals, I think anyone who wants to be a member of our society should berequired to learn English. I don't want to be forced to pay taxes to fund abortion, bigger government or taxing the corporations that supply jobs to the point that they leave the country lock stock and barrel taking millions of jobs with them. I am all for drilling and making use of our own resources instead of being held hostage to foreign oil; but I also support nuclear energy, clean coal and investing more into finding alternative fuels...but not at the expense of the world's food supply.

Do I blieve Putin is a threat, and would love to see the recreation of the Soviet Union? Most definitely. Is there progress being made for a democracy in Iraq? We just returned control of the largest province in the country to the Iraqi's yesterday, so I think that speaks for itself. Do I believe in creationism? Yes. Do I think evolution can be taught as a -theory-? yes. Are the two necessarily exclusive of one another? I really dont know. Is it biased sometimes? Most likely..Ive never supported the democrats ideas of big governments and socialism and never will. Too many people have sacrificed their lives to keep this country free of communist ideals for us to give up without a whimper.

So there..me in a nutshell. I do a lot of research because I believe in being an informed voter. You don't have to agree with me; I really could care less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

There you go.

hope Antonelli · 09-03-2008, 01:39 PM

If that's the best argument you have I think I made my point. Yes, I use paragraphs but at the moment I was just typing out my thoughts as they came, not worring about making it easy to read. I can obviously edit and do so if necessary, but since I doubt you read any of it anyway, why bother?

Colette Meiji · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isablan Neva

Sorry, not buying it. Not that Carville isn't his own brand of loony or a saint, but Rove had bigger inspirations.

Ahh of course.

He sat and watched Carville run the spin machine for 8 years and didn't pick anything up.

hope Antonelli · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

well since you took the time to proofread it for me, thank you

Joshua Nightshade · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

Anyway are you part of the liberal left because you think Obama can do a better job than McCain, or are you just not blind?

Richie Waves · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

One thing I agree with Hope, Democracy is coming along in Iraq, sadly.. not the kind you like, they've just signed a major Oil deal with China...

jacqueline trudeau · 09-03-2008, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

wall of text

hope, somehow, after your earlier comments, your self description doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Lucifer Baphomet · 09-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Oh Btw hope..

If you think the Democrats are Socialists..

You don't have a fucking clue what a Socialist is.

**Io Zeno** · 09-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

If that's the best argument you have I think I made my point. Yes, I use paragraphs but at the moment I was just typing out my thoughts as they came, not worring about making it easy to read. I can obviously edit and do so if necessary, but since I doubt you read any of it anyway, why bother?

hope, if you honestly don't think we are reading your posts why are you taking the time to write them? Come on.

Anyone who posts Wall o' Text is going to get the same. It's unreadable and really easy to fix. I did it in under 30 seconds.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 09-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Or all smileys at the end?

I do often highlight all my posts with smileys, as I try to remind myself to stay friendly, since this is Cristiano's living room we all hang in, and I pretty much like everyone here. I use it as a way of saying, "Okay, I'm disagreeing with you, but respect your opinion and still want to keep this a friendly discussion."

I don't mean to be condescending with it - sorry if it comes across that way.

Regards,

-Flip

io Kukulcan · 09-03-2008, 01:47 PM

God, one thing that irks me to no end is the failure to understand how the word "theory" has to different uses and definitions.
The scientific use of theory is very different from it's general everyday use.
Please look it up.

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hope Antonelli Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 116 My Mood:	Southern Baptist, thank you..and proud of it. My husband and I together make a little over 100k a year; he's a pilot in the USAF so yes I'm pro-military. I'm not against blacks, so drop the KKK BS. I find myself moderate on most social issues to be honest. I have no problem with abortion if the life of the mother is truly in danger; but not as a means of birth control (and yes, I worked in a labor and delivery ward when I was an RN where I saw that several times; 7 pregnancies, this was their 1st or 2nd actual delivery, x number of abortions..its asked on the medical history and it DOES differentiate from spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) vs induced ones) or just because the baby might have some slight genetic flaws or is an inconvenience to the mother. Should have thought about that before you took the chance with unprotected sex. My middle son lives with his girlfriend, I'd prefer they waited til they were married but at least I taught him to use protection if they are going to have sex. I don't support giving welfare and free medical care to illegals, I think anyone who wants to be a member of our society should berequired to learn English. I don't want to be forced to pay taxes to fund abortion, bigger government or taxing the corporations that supply jobs to the point that they leave the country lock stock and barrel taking millions of jobs with them. I am all for drilling and making use of our own resources instead of being held hostage to foreign oil; but I also support nuclear energy, clean coal and investing more into finding alternative fuels...but not at the expense of the world's food supply. Do I blieve Putin is a threat, and would love to see the recreation of the Soviet Union? Most definitely. Is there progress being made for a democracy in Iraq? We just returned control of the largest province in the country to the Iraqi's yesterday, so I think that speaks for itself. Do I believe in creationism? Yes. Do I think evolution can be taught as a -theory-? yes. Are the two necessarily exclusive of one another? I really dont know. Is it biased sometimes? Most likely..Ive never supported the democrats ideas of big governments and socialism and never will. Too many people have sacrificed their lives to keep this country free of communist ideals for us to give up without a whimper. So there..me in a nutshell. I do a lot of research because I believe in being an informed voter. You don't have to agree with me; I really could care less. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

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Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	hope, Paragraphs... Have you heard of them?

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Io Zeno Gone SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,021 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	It's like Bush being Governor of Texas, sounds impressive unless you know how ceremonial the post is and that the Lieutenant Governor ran most of the day to day business.

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hope Antonelli Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 116 My Mood:	If that's the best argument you have I think I made my point. Yes, I use paragraphs but at the moment I was just typing out my thoughts as they came, not worring about making it easy to read. I can obviously edit and do so if necessary, but since I doubt you read any of it anyway, why bother?

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hope Antonelli Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 116 My Mood:	well since you took the time to proofread it for me, thank you

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Richie Waves Joie de vivre! Is Three apples Tall Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Between Iraq and Israel Posts: 8,992 SL Join Date: 27/06/2005	One thing I agree with Hope, Democracy is coming along in Iraq, sadly.. not the kind you like, they've just signed a major Oil deal with China...

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Lucifer Baphomet Pampers Io Zenophile Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Darkmere Posts: 12,316 My Mood: Business: Radio Free Darkmere Awards: 1	Oh Btw hope.. If you think the Democrats are Socialists.. You don't have a fucking clue what a Socialist is.

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io Kukulcan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the wasatch front Posts: 2,069 My Mood: SL Join Date: 04/2006	God, one thing that irks me to no end is the failure to understand how the word "theory" has to different uses and definitions. The scientific use of theory is very different from it's general everyday use. Please look it up.

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