Cocoanut Koala

Well you know something that is even worse epic wrong?

It's deciding this was the scenario.

This sort of thing - deciding there was some byzantine horror scene regarding this pregnant teenager and her family, and then passing judgment on that as if it had actually occured - reminds me of the similar sort of thing, where a person decides what someone probably WOULD have said, and then bashes them for what they think they would have said, when they never said anything of the kind.

What do you call that sort of thing, straw man?

Who do you expect to make the decision, then? Who do you think makes these decisions? Pregnant girls get extremely adamant about making their own decisions. Teenage girls don't exactly fall in a heap and do what their parents tell them to do.

Seventeen-year-old girls are not irrational, and not idiots. They are inexperienced, which is a different thing.

coco

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Eboni Khan

Why are you guys bickering about twats you aren't fucking?

Also, why do you assume a 17 year old would even want to have an abortion? Especially one from a religion and pro-life background. When I was that age I thought it was a sure ticket to hell, because of my religious background despite the fact my Mother was pro-choice. Abortion probably didn't enter this girls mind.

I know we are all eager that she isn't punished with a baby.

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Cocoanut Koala

My point is, why are we imagining at all? We are BOUND to be off the mark when we do.

If it is anything like my family, the girl would have already been thoroughly versed in how her parents feel. And NO, she wouldn't have found it easy to tell her parents, but then, no kid does. If it is like my family, they would then discuss it, but not in this horror-story fashion this is being laid out here as having happened, but in a loving, if stressed, fashion.

I imagine if Chelsea or any other political kid had gotten knocked up at 17, the situation would have been just as horrible for her family - regardless of the pro-choice or anti-abortion political stance of the parents.

Likely the girl herself didn't want an abortion. God knows, thousands do NOT. Especially these days.

Yes, I think she had a choice about whether to get married or not. I know too many teenage girls, and I don't know ANY of that age who would buckle under and get married, for pete's sake, just because their parents wanted them to. Not in this day and age.

Also, I just refuse to buy this family as being one where some horrible tyrant mismanages all the children's lives, that's all.

Anyway, there is a long piece between "plans to get married" and "gets married." Look at Britney Spears' younger sister.

My mother and I used to have these conversations, about what if my own girls got pregnant. There are no easy answers in this situation, but to cast the girl's decision to stay pregnant - and to get married - as the worst possible alternative - is ridiculous.

And to assume the worst of this mother, and paint her as a villain - just because she doesn't believe in abortion! - is ridiculous.

Now it could be she IS a terrible mother, and this poor child is being railroaded into marriage. But I doubt it, and to presume it is ridiculous.

It is kind of terrible to think that if you are anti-abortion, and your kid gets knocked up, you will be accused of "making" her have the baby and/or "making" her get married. Even if that's what she wants!

Just as it would be terrible to think that children of pro-choice parents would be "forced" to get abortions. Cause I don't think that happens either.

coco

Vengence Opus

"Now, hunny, you don't need all those explicit sexual education classes in your school from them evil, liberal teacher folk. Just take Johnny down to the dugouts, and he'll teach you 'bout 'natomy an makin' babies. Sure keeps that liberal spin out yer head."

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Cocoanut Koala

See, I don't buy that story. About the horrible danger of flying cross-country "in the throes of delivery." As I pointed out earlier, I read around a bit, and it really doesn't sound like that.

I'm not here to argue with anyone about the woman's POLITICS. I don't CARE about politics.

I'm just here to say her baby - and her daughter's baby - and how she handled either, or any of her previous deliveries, shouldn't be in the arena for debate at all. It's completely against any woman's interests.

I'm rarely in the politics forum, but really, I totally agree with Obama's take on the whole brouhaha (see his earlier quote), and that's what I'm here saying.

coco

Io Zeno

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT HER DAUGHTER'S SHOTGUN MARRIAGE.

SHE IS UNFIT TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY IF MCCAIN DROPS DEAD WHICH HE COULD VERY EASILY, VERY SOON.

SORRY FOR THE ALLCAPS.

I LIKE THEM.

Vengence Opus

STOP YELLING AT ME IT HURTS MAH EYES!!!!

Cocoanut Koala

Well, then good, see, that's the type of talk I'd rather hear. My job here is done!

coco

Colette Meiji

you came back ...

Io Zeno

And posted links.

And have this, as well.


READY TO LEAD!

Ten

Actually this isn't about just that. It's about her mother faking a pregnancy and pulling the wool over the eyes of everyone around her, or trying to. IF it's true.

I personally don't want a VP who blatantly lies about that. Yes, she's a woman, but that's exactly why this kind of lie is so fucking stupid. You can tell when a woman is knocked up most of the time - especially a woman her age. I don't care if you're fucking Kate Moss, when you're 7 months pregnant people KNOW. The only time people might not notice is if you're carrying the kid in your rib cage - and that is VERY rare.

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Ten

So hang on, did I miss something here?

Palin AND the daughter had babies at the same time? There are two Palin infants? Or did she just praise the daughter then claim that she was knocked up in an effort to cover her tracks?

Lo Jacobs

Uhhh wait. What? Didn't we all agree that the idea that the Down Syndrome kid is actually Palin's? Her daughter is pregnant with another baby. What are you talking about?

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Lo Jacobs

Her daughter's baby isn't born yet.

So yes, there are two babies here.

Ten

Ah, ok. Thanks Lo

Exit, stage right!

Isablan Neva

That's probably from the annual Miners & Trappers Ball.

That lack of daylight in the winter months makes folks a little goofy

Colette Meiji

Where is the link about Palin not even beleiving in contraception?

Cristiano

You do have to give her credit for one thing. She has been more fun to talk about than Biden.

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Io Zeno

Are you not reading my posts? I posted a few minutes later that that part was a joke?

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Colette Meiji

ahh okay.

Vengence Opus

YOU DON'T JOKE YOU ARE ALWAYS SERIUZ!!!

STOP WITH TEH CONFUSING CAMPAIGN OF CONFUSION!!!

Lo Jacobs

I posted this link earlier in the thread:

If we are to follow this statement to its logical conclusion, she does not think that contraception should be readily available to teenagers.

Io Zeno

Not really. Especially not with these insane baby conspiracy internet rumors that Obama had to actually address thanks to this absurd irrelevant nonsense.

Colette Meiji

Thats a bit different than no beleiving in Contraception at all.