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Teeny Leviathan · 09-01-2008, 04:33 PM

The convention is young. There is still time for the Republicans to pull a Harriet Miers and nominate someone different.

Dancien Graves · 09-01-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

I mean, is it HER BODY, or isn't it?

Well tell you what then, how about we'll leave her body alone when she stops telling every other woman out there what to do with their bodies?

Arilynn · 09-01-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

How could she have any choice when her mother is anti-abortion? And what kind of spoiled kid has sex with no birth control when her mother is the GOVERNOR OF ALASKA?

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Yes I understand that. However the chances that the Governors daughter did not know about birth control at age 17 are pretty remote.

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

I would just hope the GOVERNOR of a state's kids had her job in mind before they went and fooled around without birth control.

Palin isn't catholic after all, birth control isn't officially prohibited by her religion.

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

yes I understand that. I don't see why this point is so hard to get across.

The girl had to know that her having sex could hurt her mother's career. That changes the usual teen pregnancy dynamic a little bit.

Why assume she used no protection? Or has her mother stated that they did not use anything? Nothing is 100% effective (ask my mother - I was conceived after my father's vasectomy), and the effectiveness usually drops when used by someone with little experience. There is also a ton of false crap around about how not to get pregnant - if you feel you can't safely and privately buy a more effective option, you might believe that these myths are true. Especially if an open discussion with your parents is not feasible.

Having your mother as the governor would change a lot. But it does not mean that it can transform a 17 year old into someone she is not, whether that be overtly sexual, reckless, naive, heedlessly romantic, irresponsible, or unlucky.

Cocoanut Koala · 09-01-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Teeny Leviathan

The convention is young. There is still time for the Republicans to pull a Harriet Miers and nominate someone different.

Well, if they do, they'd better have a better reason than this baby stuff.

coco

Cocoanut Koala · 09-01-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

Well tell you what then, how about we'll leave her body alone when she stops telling every other woman out there what to do with their bodies?

Two wrongs don't make a right.*

Not to mention, abandoning one's own principle that people shouldn't tell others what to do with their bodies for expediency (thinking it might help destroy the enemy, for instance) makes one a hypocrite.

Either you believe a woman has a right to her body - AND some dignity - or you don't.

Unless, of course, you feel only SOME women have a right to their own bodies and dignity, when it suits you.

coco

*Not that I'm saying I think being anti-abortion is wrong, or wrong of this woman to be anti-abortion. But others do, and they simply can't have it both ways.

Lo Jacobs · 09-01-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Teeny Leviathan

The convention is young. There is still time for the Republicans to pull a Harriet Miers and nominate someone different.

If you don't think that they lost the election by introducing Sarah Palin, then they will definitely lose it by getting rid of her.

Teeny Leviathan · 09-01-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lo Jacobs

If you don't think that they lost the election by introducing Sarah Palin, then they will definitely lose it by getting rid of her.

It only took three days to dig up some really damaging dirt on her. Imagine what they could find over the next two months. She was a hasty choice, and now she's a liability. Unless they hide a dead hooker in Obama's trunk, I don't see McCain winning. Not that I want to see McCain win, but I'm just astonished by all the boneheaded mistakes his campaign has made.

Edav Nomad · 09-01-2008, 05:48 PM

I've found some interesting things out about this Troopergate. The State Trooper, Wooten, who was involved with it was still on the job after he tasered Palin's nephew for no apparent reason and he has been reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001. I think the Public Safety Commissioner Monegan should have been fired since he did nothing to get rid of the guy. Also according to the state lawmakers the Safety Commissioner serves at will which means he can be fired by Palin at any time.

Palin hires attorney for Troopergate investigation - Yahoo! News

Malachi · 09-01-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Her "crimes" are that she fired someone, for circumstances she probably should not have.

Lest we forget, Alberto Gonzales was forced out of office for just that (and lying like a, like a... like a Reagan about it).

**Io Zeno** · 09-01-2008, 06:53 PM

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Alaska Business Monthly: We've lost a lot of Alaska's military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?

Palin: I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy. I am very, very proud of the troops we have in Alaska, those fighting overseas for our freedoms, and the families here who are making so many sacrifices.

Gov. Sarah Palin speaks out.

And that is about all she has to say about the war. I'm sure she is ready to lead should McCain drop dead and take over the foreign quagmire of the century.

Other than that to Sarah, the war is all about oil and if we would only drill in Alaska, all our problems would be solved. In fact, that is all she seems to know, drill, drill, drill.

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We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.

Bartiromo Talks with Sarah Palin

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In June, Palin told Glenn Beck, "The average Alaskan says again we recognize these reserves being ready to be tapped. … We're ready to contribute more to the U.S. in terms of resources that can lead to a safer nation; and I say this while our nation is at war, while we're fighting, in some sense, over energy supplies."

YouTube - Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck

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State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says

SPECIES STATUS: Unreliable data, threat to energy development cited.

By DAN JOLING
The Associated Press

(05/22/08 01:26:00)

The State of Alaska will sue to challenge the recent listing of polar bears as a threatened species, Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday.

She and other Alaska elected officials fear a listing will cripple oil and gas development in prime polar bear habitat off the state's northern and northwestern coasts.

Palin argued there is not enough evidence to support a listing. Polar bears are well-managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation, she said.

Climate models that predict continued loss of sea ice, the main habitat of polar bears, during summers are unreliable, Palin said.

The announcement drew a strong response from the primary author of the listing petition.

"She's either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading, and both are unbecoming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity. "Alaska deserves better."

Siegel said it was unconscionable for Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, the polar bear's habitat.

"Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," she said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this."

As marine mammals, polar bears are regulated by the federal government, not the state. Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne last week made the listing decision and said it was based on three findings.

"First, sea ice is vital to polar bear survival. Second, the polar bear's sea-ice habitat has dramatically melted in recent decades. Third, computer models suggest sea ice is likely to further recede in the future," he said.

Summer sea ice last year shrank to a record low, about 1.65 million square miles, nearly 40 percent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000.

State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says: Polar Bear News | adn.com

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And your stand on abortion?

I'm pro-life. I'll do all I can to see every baby is created with a future and potential. The legislature should do all it can to protect human life.

What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country?

A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.

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Palin to comply on same-sex ruling

CAVEAT: But the governor took a step toward a public vote to ban the benefits.

Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday that she will comply with an Alaska Supreme Court order issued Tuesday to offer health and retiree benefits to same-sex partners of state employees starting Jan. 1.

"We believe that we have no more judicial options to pursue. So we may disagree with kind of the foundation there, the rationale behind the ruling, but our responsibility is to proceed forward with the law and abide by the constitution," Palin said.

But ultimately, she said, she supports denying those benefits through a constitutional amendment, if that's what the public wants.

Palin said she agreed with the Legislature that it's time to seek public opinion on this. On Wednesday, as news reporters looked on, Palin signed a bill that calls for an advisory vote on whether the Alaska Constitution should be amended to ban such benefits.

The vote, set for an April 3 special election, is nonbinding but would guide legislators, she said.

She also said she believes Alaskans already have voiced an opinion with "overwhelming support for a constitutional amendment defining marriage back in 1998, that traditional definition, marriage between one man and one woman." That amendment passed with 68 percent of the vote.

adn.com | front : Palin to comply on same-sex ruling

Sarah Palin on the Issues

Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Galen McGinnis · 09-01-2008, 07:12 PM

Bwahahahaha and now her darlin 17 year old daughter is knocked up, man Americans sure know how to run an election, this is priceless...

**Io Zeno** · 09-01-2008, 07:15 PM

Yes, and damn, that poor kid. There is very little anyone can say to convince me these kids aren't getting married at shotgun and frankly, do you want to be her and tell your mom you want an abortion rather than be a teenaged mother and married before you hit 18? Like that is an option for her.

Galen McGinnis · 09-01-2008, 07:17 PM

Yep she's fucked in every sense of the word. I wonder, when the last time -- edited by Katt Linden, for questionable taste -- was in Alaska?

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 07:19 PM

"We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go."

Um I thought the Iraq war was because Saddam was responsible for 9/11 or something. Didn't McCain send her a copy of her propaganda coloring book?

Cocoanut Koala · 09-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Oh, honestly, people.

Teenagers get pregnant every day. And there's nothing wrong with getting married if you are having a baby.

While having a baby at 17 isn't the greatest thing in the world, it also isn't the end of the world.

coco

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Oh, honestly, people.

Teenagers get pregnant every day. And there's nothing wrong with getting married if you are having a baby.

While having a baby at 17 isn't the greatest thing in the world, it also isn't the end of the world.

coco

There's nothing wrong with getting married if you're having a baby with someone you want to get married and raise a child with; there's something EPIC wrong with getting married because your conservative, anti-abortion mother demanded you make a life altering decision on account of her sacred cows.

I don't believe 95% of 17 year olds are rationally capable of making a decision that will affect them for the rest of their life, be it because they remain locked with someone they weren't prepared to marry or forever have a divorce looming overhead.

To say nothing of raising a child and paying child support and alimony forever.

Tyche Shepherd · 09-01-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyche Shepherd

I find it very sad that a 17 year olds pregnancy is an issue in any Election in this day and age.

... again sorry to bump but WTF

**Io Zeno** · 09-01-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Oh, honestly, people.

Teenagers get pregnant every day. And there's nothing wrong with getting married if you are having a baby.

While having a baby at 17 isn't the greatest thing in the world, it also isn't the end of the world.

coco

That isn't the point, Coco.

The point is that can you imagine this girl coming to her mother, the extreme pro-lifer and governor and telling her you want an abortion? Do you imagine she could get one without her mother finding out?

Do you think she had a choice NOT to get married now her mother is the VP on the ticket?

Sure, this could all be her choice. The point is, she doesn't really have any other.

**Io Zeno** · 09-01-2008, 07:34 PM

I still contend this is all irrelevant and a fine distraction from the so called qualifications of this woman to lead this country in a time of war and serious troubles on all fronts, as VP of a 72 year old nominee.

Beau Perkins · 09-01-2008, 07:45 PM

Io I understand what you are saying and agree, BUT it may be jumping to a conclusion that her daughter didnt want it this way. How many 17 year old think they are mature enough for such a decision?

Now most sane parents would talk to them about what a big mistake getting married could be for both of the teens. I am doubting she took the time to do that. I am jumping to this conclusion instead.

**Io Zeno** · 09-01-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beau Perkins

Io I understand what you are saying and agree, BUT it may be jumping to a conclusion that her daughter didnt want it this way. How many 17 year old think they are mature enough for such a decision?

Now most sane parents would talk to them about what a big mistake getting married could be for both of the teens. I am doubting she took the time to do that. I am jumping to this conclusion instead.

We don't know, Beau, really. But I can't help but think, what choice did she have either way.

jacqueline trudeau · 09-01-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Two wrongs don't make a right.*

Not to mention, abandoning one's own principle that people shouldn't tell others what to do with their bodies for expediency (thinking it might help destroy the enemy, for instance) makes one a hypocrite.

Either you believe a woman has a right to her body - AND some dignity - or you don't.

Unless, of course, you feel only SOME women have a right to their own bodies and dignity, when it suits you.

coco

*Not that I'm saying I think being anti-abortion is wrong, or wrong of this woman to be anti-abortion. But others do, and they simply can't have it both ways.

coco, if she wants to take part in risky behaviour - flying across country in the throes of delivering a 7 1/2 month premature infant already diagnosed with downs - it's her perogative. But there is big BIG difference between marvelling (and speculating )at someone's choice and calling for legislation to curtail other personal choices under penalty of law. You don't see that??? Do you really not?

Victoria Kemsley · 09-01-2008, 08:22 PM

I thought Iraq was all about the oil, that's what just about everyone here has been telling me for over 2 years. Now Palin alludes to it, and she's an idiot? (I still don't believe that by the way)

She opposed listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30years as a result of conservation

Tropper gate, I suggest you read up on it, not only did the guy need to be fired, the cop should have been in jail. No issue

Palin does support contraception, and is a member of Feminists for Life

Her daughter's pregnancy will be old news and no issue by the end of the week.

And the bottom line is, she still has more executive experience as the VP candidate than the other sides Presidential candidate.

I know alot of you all think I fall in lockstep with the republican platform. Considering I'm female, an atheist and pro choice, I have serious issues with alot that gets thrown out there. I was scared shitless when I thought Hucklebee had a shot at the nomination.

Adam Zaius · 09-01-2008, 08:30 PM

No, Iraq was about ~~WMD's~~ no wait... ~~Deposing Sadam~~ that's not it ... ~~Bringing Freedom and Democracy~~ Oh here we go ... Securing Energy for the Future

Cocoanut Koala · 09-01-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

There's nothing wrong with getting married if you're having a baby with someone you want to get married and raise a child with; there's something EPIC wrong with getting married because your conservative, anti-abortion mother demanded you make a life altering decision on account of her sacred cows.

Well you know something that is even worse epic wrong?

It's deciding this was the scenario.

This sort of thing - deciding there was some byzantine horror scene regarding this pregnant teenager and her family, and then passing judgment on that as if it had actually occured - reminds me of the similar sort of thing, where a person decides what someone probably WOULD have said, and then bashes them for what they think they would have said, when they never said anything of the kind.

What do you call that sort of thing, straw man?

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I don't believe 95% of 17 year olds are rationally capable of making a decision that will affect them for the rest of their life, be it because they remain locked with someone they weren't prepared to marry or forever have a divorce looming overhead.

To say nothing of raising a child and paying child support and alimony forever.

Who do you expect to make the decision, then? Who do you think makes these decisions? Pregnant girls get extremely adamant about making their own decisions. Teenage girls don't exactly fall in a heap and do what their parents tell them to do.

Seventeen-year-old girls are not irrational, and not idiots. They are inexperienced, which is a different thing.

coco

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Edav Nomad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Behind You Posts: 4,790 My Mood: SL Join Date: June 12, 2003 XBOX Leaderboard: 4^th	I've found some interesting things out about this Troopergate. The State Trooper, Wooten, who was involved with it was still on the job after he tasered Palin's nephew for no apparent reason and he has been reprimanded for violating nearly a dozen laws and departmental policies since December 2001. I think the Public Safety Commissioner Monegan should have been fired since he did nothing to get rid of the guy. Also according to the state lawmakers the Safety Commissioner serves at will which means he can be fired by Palin at any time. Palin hires attorney for Troopergate investigation - Yahoo! News __________________

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Galen McGinnis Making His List Stoopdefied Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Federal Relocation Program Posts: 465 My Mood: SL Join Date: 9/22/2007	Bwahahahaha and now her darlin 17 year old daughter is knocked up, man Americans sure know how to run an election, this is priceless... __________________ "... There is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true." - Hunter S Thompson

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Beau Perkins Is a sickly peach color I love God and I love Guns. Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CT Posts: 7,204 My Mood: SL Join Date: 12/24/2003	Io I understand what you are saying and agree, BUT it may be jumping to a conclusion that her daughter didnt want it this way. How many 17 year old think they are mature enough for such a decision? Now most sane parents would talk to them about what a big mistake getting married could be for both of the teens. I am doubting she took the time to do that. I am jumping to this conclusion instead. __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed Misunderstanding all you see It's getting hard to be someone, but it all works out It doesn't matter much to me -John Lennon.

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09-01-2008, 04:33 PM	#801 (permalink)
Teeny Leviathan Irresponsible Adult Look out below! Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,348 SL Join Date: 05/20/2003	The convention is young. There is still time for the Republicans to pull a Harriet Miers and nominate someone different.

09-01-2008, 07:15 PM	#812 (permalink)
Io Zeno Meh SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,182 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	Yes, and damn, that poor kid. There is very little anyone can say to convince me these kids aren't getting married at shotgun and frankly, do you want to be her and tell your mom you want an abortion rather than be a teenaged mother and married before you hit 18? Like that is an option for her.

09-01-2008, 07:17 PM	#813 (permalink)
Galen McGinnis Making His List Stoopdefied Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Federal Relocation Program Posts: 465 My Mood: SL Join Date: 9/22/2007	Yep she's fucked in every sense of the word. I wonder, when the last time -- edited by Katt Linden, for questionable taste -- was in Alaska?

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Joshua Nightshade Account Closed Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33,567 My Mood:	"We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go." Um I thought the Iraq war was because Saddam was responsible for 9/11 or something. Didn't McCain send her a copy of her propaganda coloring book?

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Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages There is no sanctuary. You may think there is, but there isn't. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,406 SLShopper Ads: 9 Business: Coco's Cottages Awards: 1	Oh, honestly, people. Teenagers get pregnant every day. And there's nothing wrong with getting married if you are having a baby. While having a baby at 17 isn't the greatest thing in the world, it also isn't the end of the world. coco

09-01-2008, 07:34 PM	#819 (permalink)
Io Zeno Meh SLU Supporter Stoking the fires of Hell Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 17,182 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Awards: 1	I still contend this is all irrelevant and a fine distraction from the so called qualifications of this woman to lead this country in a time of war and serious troubles on all fronts, as VP of a 72 year old nominee.

09-01-2008, 08:22 PM	#823 (permalink)
Victoria Kemsley Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 838	I thought Iraq was all about the oil, that's what just about everyone here has been telling me for over 2 years. Now Palin alludes to it, and she's an idiot? (I still don't believe that by the way) She opposed listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30years as a result of conservation Tropper gate, I suggest you read up on it, not only did the guy need to be fired, the cop should have been in jail. No issue Palin does support contraception, and is a member of Feminists for Life Her daughter's pregnancy will be old news and no issue by the end of the week. And the bottom line is, she still has more executive experience as the VP candidate than the other sides Presidential candidate. I know alot of you all think I fall in lockstep with the republican platform. Considering I'm female, an atheist and pro choice, I have serious issues with alot that gets thrown out there. I was scared shitless when I thought Hucklebee had a shot at the nomination.

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