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Lo Jacobs · 09-01-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy Honey

Of course she had to know it, she also probably thought "it won't happen to me"

Kids generally tend to think they're invincible at that age, yanno?

It happens to the best of us. It's unfortunate for this girl that her mother is very much in the spotlight and so is she because of it.

People sometimes underestimate how self-involved teenagers are. I would be surprised if she had made much connection between her actions and her mother's career.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 09-01-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

The girl had to know that her having sex could hurt her mother's career. That changes the usual teen pregnancy dynamic a little bit.

Teens thinking logically while in the throes of passion. Right.

Joy Honey · 09-01-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

The girl had to know that her having sex could hurt her mother's career.

I also think her mother's career was the furthest thing from her mind

Victoria Kemsley · 09-01-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Envoy Costagravas

Vicky, you know as well as I do that there are ill-founded, hysterical, and malicious blogs covering the entire spectrum. That this has occurred is unfortunate; that it is only something that comes from "liberal bloggers" is innaccurate.

I've seen it reported that in the vetting process McCain was made aware of the situation. I'm wondering how it would have been handled some other way. I feel very sorry for the young woman, who now has to deal with this in the glare of national attention, and most of that attention is due to her mother's views on pregnancy and abortion.

I'm certainly not thinking that. Few people I know are.

We see what we want to see, don't we?

Tis a pleasure (honestly) replying to you.

Yes I am fully aware that rumors and insinuations come hot and heavy from both sides. I was only addressing this particular case.

I just think it's a shame that she was forced to announce this in response to what appears to be unfounded insinuations, rather than at a time and place of her family's choice.

And I agree with you also, it's a common fault not to question or examine critically the things that re-enforces ones own hopes or beliefs.

reeneebob Birmingham · 09-01-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Victoria Kemsley

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Only reason this was announced now was because of the left's ridiculous accusations regarding Trig

Oh please. Because parading her ever growing minor child all over international TV wouldn't have made it abundantly obvious Mrs Palin didn't keep a close enough eye on her own backyard.

Her mother made the decision to march her pregnant daughter in front of cameras. She could have simply KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT.

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:34 PM

Cheney's gay daughter was actually somewhat celebrated by the Republican party, in a very careful juggling act.

I think they actually kind of like these things, because it gives them a chance to play both sides of the fence.

Colette Meiji · 09-01-2008, 03:35 PM

Considering I actually was pregnant as a teenager - I think possibly I understand better than you all are acting like I do.

I actually also have a 17 year old daughter.

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That girl was thoughtless in this. It could have cost her mother her job.

Who knows -- with the way people are going on about this "hypocrisy" it could cost her mother a lot more than her current job.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 09-01-2008, 03:35 PM

@Victoria - FWIW, you and Cindy and Kendra (when she's around) keep me sharp. Or sharper than the dullard I can often be. Thanks for that, really.

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Considering I actually was pregnant as a teenager - I think possibly I understand better than you all are acting like I do.

My son was born when I was 17 also. Don't assume you are the only one qualified to talk about such things.

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Cheney's gay daughter was actually somewhat celebrated by the Republican party, in a very careful juggling act.

I think they actually kind of like these things, because it gives them a chance to play both sides of the fence.

She was celebrated for being a self-hating, self-effacing homosexual who was content to enjoy the social status won by the loud faggots who pitched fits while at the same time disparaging those people and refusing to help them. She did absolutely nothing for gay people and in many ways actively worked against them.

She was a champion of everything that is sad and depressing about the policies her father and his friends seek to spread across the planet, and all the damage those policies cause.

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 03:38 PM

Yeah well I had four kids when I was 17 so I know TWICE as much as both of you.

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Rant

Hah! I don't disagree with what you are saying there, but the way you said it just made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

Colette Meiji · 09-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

My son was born when I was 17 also. Don't assume you are the only one qualified to talk about such things.

when the fuck did I say that?

People have been acting like I DONT know what I am talking about.

I didn't say anyone else didn't

Kendra Bancroft · 09-01-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Yeah well I had four kids when I was 17 so I know TWICE as much as both of you.

They mean something different when they say "had a kid"

reeneebob Birmingham · 09-01-2008, 03:40 PM

Yeah well, I didn't have sex until I was 19, and it's with the guy I'm marrying (and that goes the same way with him too). AND we are both anti organized religion. So I am the only one qualified to speak on this.

Wait...

Ummmmm THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Hah! I don't disagree with what you are saying there, but the way you said it just made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

I really can't stand her.

And then she came out with a book afterward talking about how she had grave misgivings during the 2004 campaign and I wanted to strangle her to death myself.

reeneebob Birmingham · 09-01-2008, 03:42 PM

It does seem like she is only trotted out with Bush/Cheney need to score gay points.

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

when the fuck did I say that?

Well, I think I read this much:

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I think possibly I understand better than you all

I guess you didn't really mean it that way, I just didn't fully parse the sentence.

Victoria Kemsley · 09-01-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by reeneebob Birmingham

Oh please. Because parading her ever growing minor child all over international TV wouldn't have made it abundantly obvious Mrs Palin didn't keep a close enough eye on her own backyard.

Her mother made the decision to march her pregnant daughter in front of cameras. She could have simply KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT.

What good would keeping her mouth shut have done?

The girls 5 months pregnant, it would have shortly become visibly obvious anyways.

But it should have been thier choice when to annouce it, not being forced to respond to vicious accusations

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by reeneebob Birmingham

It does seem like she is only trotted out with Bush/Cheney need to score gay points.

Well this is what I meant. The Republicans don't necessarily see these "moral compromises" as bad things, they can use them to play both ends.

Joshua Nightshade · 09-01-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by reeneebob Birmingham

It does seem like she is only trotted out with Bush/Cheney need to score gay points.

To score gay points or when they can act affronted when people ask Cheney "How can you say you support laws stripping the rights afforded to other human beings when you have a gay daughter?"

As if that's not a relevant fucking question to ask.

Lo Jacobs · 09-01-2008, 03:45 PM

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In her answers, according to the Eagle Forum Alaska blogspot, she said she would support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of explicit sex education programs, school-based clinics and condom distribution in schools.

"The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," Palin responded, according to the blog site.

[LA Times]

Man, that is one stupid lady.

Colette Meiji · 09-01-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Well, I think I read this much:

I guess you didn't really mean it that way, I just didn't fully parse the sentence.

You just quoted me out of context.

Where's the damn slap on here?

this will work

:b eatup:

:bea tup:

:beatu p:

I said I think I understand better than you all are acting like I do.

Gig's reading comprehension test -- FAIL

Joy Honey · 09-01-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

when the fuck did I say that?

People have been acting like I DONT know what I am talking about.

I didn't say anyone else didn't

I didn't mean to come across as acting like you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't think Sarah Palin is a hypocrite for this, either. However, I don't agree that her daughter should be held to a higher standard than any other 17 year old girl. She's human. I feel sorry for her more than anything. Not because she's pregnant, but because she's under public scrutiny.

Gigs · 09-01-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colette Meiji

Gig's reading comprehension test -- FAIL

YOU ALRIGHT, I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!

Seriously though, I know. That was what I was saying, originally I read your message the wrong way.

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Colette Meiji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,605 My Mood:	Considering I actually was pregnant as a teenager - I think possibly I understand better than you all are acting like I do. I actually also have a 17 year old daughter. --------- That girl was thoughtless in this. It could have cost her mother her job. Who knows -- with the way people are going on about this "hypocrisy" it could cost her mother a lot more than her current job.

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Envoy Costagravas One never knows for sure SLU Supporter Diplomacy, with one in the chamber... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: On diplomatic assignment, somewhere... Posts: 3,814 My Mood:	@Victoria - FWIW, you and Cindy and Kendra (when she's around) keep me sharp. Or sharper than the dullard I can often be. Thanks for that, really.

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reeneebob Birmingham FUCKCHOP! FUUUUUUCKCHOP! Because in a world of confusion, sometimes you just need some John Effin' Taylor. VIVA LA BASSGOD! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada - COMMIE SOCIALIST COUNTRY WHOOOO! WHOOOOOOOO! Posts: 827 My Mood: SL Join Date: August 7, 2006 Business: I support others business	Yeah well, I didn't have sex until I was 19, and it's with the guy I'm marrying (and that goes the same way with him too). AND we are both anti organized religion. So I am the only one qualified to speak on this. Wait... Ummmmm THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

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reeneebob Birmingham FUCKCHOP! FUUUUUUCKCHOP! Because in a world of confusion, sometimes you just need some John Effin' Taylor. VIVA LA BASSGOD! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada - COMMIE SOCIALIST COUNTRY WHOOOO! WHOOOOOOOO! Posts: 827 My Mood: SL Join Date: August 7, 2006 Business: I support others business	It does seem like she is only trotted out with Bush/Cheney need to score gay points.

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