Gigs

Did you really think GW Bush would get re-elected? I sure didn't.

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Joshua Nightshade

No, I thought Kerry didn't have a great chance. It's not often an incumbent, war-time president loses an election.

Joshua Nightshade

And there's still widespread evidence of voter irregularities about the 2004 elections, so I don't really think it's conclusive that he won either 2000 or 2004 personally.

Envoy Costagravas

Did you read it? It wasn't HuffPost, it was 23/6. A comedy site. It wasn't a serious article.

Geesh.

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Ray Figtree

Has nothing to do with her being spoiled. Check out the book Predictably Irrational. It points out that we do irrational things at the height of arousal we would never do or predict we would do when not in an aroused state. Like not use protection.

http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/006135323X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220296023&sr=8-1

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Malachi

There is a large overlap between:

1. the set of people who are anti-abortion and
2. the set of people who are anti-sexual education and
3. the set of people who who think that denying children access to effective birth control will cause them to be abstinent.

Cocoanut Koala

Well, that's what I would have done. And not because of having a pregnant daughter, but because of having five kids.

Course, I wouldn't have been the governor of Alaska, either. Course I'm old-fashioned that way.

But you know, people who grow up in families like this - like Chelsea did (she never knew a time when her parents didn't have careers and weren't in politics) - don't think of it as unusual (including the public scrutiny), and generally the parents don't just quit their careers because of some problem with the kids.

Plus, how do you know she didn't ask her daughter about it before she accepted the nomination?

And - would that make a difference to you even if she had?

What if Chelsea had gotten pregnant (and were a little younger)? Would that have meant Hillary should have dropped out just to spare Chelsea?

Or just what? This isn't really computing for me.

If women are expected to drop out of politics whenever their children do something for which the children might or might not enjoy the public reaction, then women might as well just NOT BE IN POLITICS.

coco

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Colette Meiji

But that has always been the fundie position.

Basically ----

Abstinence

But if that doesn't work .. the two kids are supposed to get married.

If that wont work, the mother is supposed to put the kid up for adoption, preferably to a family/church member.


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What would have been hypocritical is if the Governor had had her daughter do something ELSE.

Victoria Kemsley

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.


Only reason this was announced now was because of the left's ridiculous accusations regarding Trig

Glad you all think it's in the bag for Obama, unfortunatly the poles arn't saying the same thing.

I'm seeing more signs of desperation from the left, rather than the other way around.

Joshua Nightshade

Yes, McCain picked an inexperienced politician under investigation for crimes he met once, six months ago, after a long, drawn out and well-conceived discussion.

Joy Honey

He's a maverick!

Gigs

Really? Hrm, they need to work on actually being funny then.

Envoy Costagravas

Vicky, you know as well as I do that there are ill-founded, hysterical, and malicious blogs covering the entire spectrum. That this has occurred is unfortunate; that it is only something that comes from "liberal bloggers" is innaccurate.

I've seen it reported that in the vetting process McCain was made aware of the situation. I'm wondering how it would have been handled some other way. I feel very sorry for the young woman, who now has to deal with this in the glare of national attention, and most of that attention is due to her mother's views on pregnancy and abortion.

I'm certainly not thinking that. Few people I know are.

We see what we want to see, don't we?

Colette Meiji

Yes I understand that.

However the chances that the Governors daughter did not know about birth control at age 17 are pretty remote.

Envoy Costagravas

I'll email them.

Envoy Costagravas

Nonetheless, it's conjecture. You just don't know, do you?

Colette Meiji

Her "crimes" are that she fired someone, for circumstances she probably should not have.

The other corruption charges (oil, etc conflicts of interest) do predate her from what I could see in those links people were posting.

Joy Honey

There is a higher level of risk-taking in adolescence/emerging adulthood. I know many people who were just damned lucky they didn't get or get someone knocked up at 17.

Colette Meiji

I would just hope the GOVERNOR of a state's kids had her job in mind before they went and fooled around without birth control.

Palin isn't catholic after all, birth control isn't officially prohibited by her religion.

Gigs

Are you serious? Kids have the Internet these days.

Colette Meiji

yes I understand that.

I don't see why this point is so hard to get across.

The girl had to know that her having sex could hurt her mother's career.

That changes the usual teen pregnancy dynamic a little bit.

Gigs

You don't think or care about those things when you are 17. You don't think or care about those things when there's a cock that you want in you real bad.

Joy Honey

Of course she had to know it, she also probably thought "it won't happen to me"

Kids generally tend to think they're invincible at that age, yanno?

It happens to the best of us. It's unfortunate for this girl that her mother is very much in the spotlight and so is she because of it.

Kendra Bancroft

Really?

The GOP didn't seem to say anything about Obama being the child of a pregnant 17 year old.

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reeneebob Birmingham

It wouldn't make a difference to me if she asked her daughter first. her daughter is still a minor, and it's still her parents responsibility to make the decisions in the household. Obviously her daughters judgement ain't great anyway.

If Chelsea was a minor, then I would have the same point of view.

It's hard enough to be pregnant for the first time though, without all the spectacle. I think there are certain things that mean that mom/dad need to put their desires aside and focus on the child - I don't think every single thing means don't run. In this kind of situation though, she should have put her family first.