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Oooooh. Here ya go.

What if Palin's daughter... actually had McCain's baby? Bwahahaha.


Sorry.

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Colette Meiji

Wow those are some impressive news sources.

You should read some of their other articles.

I was expecting to see an "Space Aliens endorse Palin" at any moment.

detrius

*shrugs*

I got the 14 years from this artice:
Robert J. Elisberg: The Worst Vice-Presidential Nominee in U.S. History

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.


Well, at least his campaign staff seems to think so. Personally, I doubt that McCain is some kind of universal genius and was pretty sure they'd pick someone like Romney to improve his campaign's stance on economic issues. But then again, I'm just a random guy from Europe, so what do I know about American politics?

Look, try to see it from this perspective:
How does the choice of the VP candidate reflect on the judgement of the presidential candidate?

When it comes to Age vs. Experience, the transfer only goes in one direction. Obama won't make Biden look younger just as Palin won't lessen McCain's age. On the other hand, Palin and Obama will without any doubt benefit from their respective partner's experience.
But here's the crux - Biden's and Palin's gains or losses are completely irrelevant with regard to the question, so it boils down to this: Obama's VP pick grants him access to experience while McCain volunteered to spend a lot of his remaining time on coaching his new protégé. So much for putting America first.

And btw: I would view it just the same if the roles were reversed (with Biden and Paulin as presidential candidates).

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Kendra Bancroft

I'm going TOPLESS.

Just voting downticket.

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Cristiano

That is ridiculous. It seems they really aren't true Hillary supporters as the combination of McCain/Palin is the polar opposite of what Hillary Clinton stands for.

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Colette Meiji

Well he was elected to the Ill State Senate in 1996

Of course that session actually begins in 1997

there hasn't been 14 years since 1996 ..


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He was voted into the US senate in 2004,

That session started in 2005.

since which time 19 months have been on the campaign trail.

Vengence Opus

sorry. just had to keep these posted somewhere, so i can practice my new national anthem.

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Shyotl

Fair enough. It seems less malicious upon rereading it. Then-again, she did blame inaccurate portrayals of projects as being the problem, and in the context of her quote she seems to be attributing this problem the failure to secure funding for this specific bridge. It certainly isn't a ringing endorsement for the bridge, but she isn't deriding it either, and I haven't found much of anything else on her that implies she was ever against it until congress denied funding. Really seems like more of an indifference than 'fighting against pork barreling.' Perhaps she has fought with other issues related to porkbarreling, however it doesn't seem like the 'bridge to nowhere' issue is all too applicable to this cause.

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detrius

I just had an epiphany.

Maybe Sarah Palin is the new Luke Skywalker?



One moment you think "Man, what a total failure, the wise guy just wasted his life and we're stuck with the n00b"... then, BOOM, there goes the Death Star!


Sorry, I'm just deliberately trying to make sense of this mess.

Victoria Kemsley

Hey, wander over and take a read for yourself, I'm not making it up.

These people are seriously pissed

jacqueline trudeau

Oh, you mean the republicans before they were republicans?

Let the dozen of them or so stew in their own snit. Their 15 minutes passed after the convention completed.

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Cindy Claveau

Partisanship? What partisanship -- earlier this year I actually pictured myself as a possible voter for McCain. Then I started listening to them, researching, reading their policy positions. And I have come 180 degrees. I will be voting for Obama, like I've said on this board a hundred times in the past few weeks, because I'm sick and tired of the religious anti-science, anti-choice, hardline militarism of the Right. What partisanship are you referring to?

If you read my post, I'm not arguing that she's experienced enough or that she was even a good choice. I agree she's a singularly BAD choice. But I do think that calling a blog post on an ultra-lib site "brilliant" as Cris did, is over the top - and here's why.

Once again:

If it was "brilliant" it would have told us something we didn't know, or offered an insight no one had thought of yet. Newsflash for everyone: Nothing in that post said a single thing about Palin that every other news outlet and web blog in existence hadn't already come up with an hour after the nomination. (Edit: come to think of it, there are some BRILLIANT people on this board who said pretty much everything that writer did long before he said it. Why don't they get credit for their brilliance too?)

What else was brilliant? Was it the hyperbolic invective, accusing McCain voters of "hating America"? I addressed that, too - for so many people here on this board and in the news who thought Obama's speech was BRILLIANT (or at least brilliantly delivered), for all the tears in the audience I saw on TV after he finished, apparently some people didn't really listen. There are still those who want to engage in character assassination and question people's patriotism because they're on the 'other side'.

I'm with Obama on that - it's old, it is not helpful, it is destructive and divisive. Tell me something I didn't know and maybe then I'll consider using "brilliant", but not for a hack piece like that, and most certainly not from the Huffington blog. They're the "Heritage Foundation" of the Left.

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detrius

Alaska's importance is not in question, the claim that it takes much skill to govern that state is.

It's actually a compliment to the Alaskans: apparently, Alaska is populated by ~700,000 highly independent individuals capable of paying the heating bill in a subarctic region who just want the government to stay out of their lives. There just doesn't seem to be much to do for a governor, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: That said, this doesn't mean that Palin has no talent, I'm just under the impression that being the Governor of Alaska doesn't offer many opportunities to "show off" your skills.

Shyotl

Sadly, I feel Romney would have absolutely been suicide for the republican party. It really is disturbing, but Romney being Mormon is a huge issue with certain religious people, and this is especially true in parts of the midwest-- so much so that mormons are generally considered to all be polygamists there(here). I know this all too well, actually, as my grandfather, a staunch social conservative and devout catholic, sees mormons as nothing less than the antichrist, and he is by all means not alone with this sentiment. Many churches actively preach such a portrayal of Mormons, atleast here.

detrius

Meh, I really can't relate to this mindset. But Romney surely can't be the only candidate who might add some substance to the economic competence of McCain's campaign? I'm just baffled by their decision to let this opportunity to attack Obama on this important issue pass by.

Envoy Costagravas

@Cindy: I'm sorry that got so under your skin. In the big picture, it is one small article in a world-wide ocean of words. I thought it was "brilliant" in the way that many British use the term, or certainly how I've become accustomed to it. The piece was not a doctoral dissertation, and I didn't mean it as such.

It seems we disagree about the quality of writing in the article, which I still like. What we do agree on is the matter of divisiveness. The quote you pulled was relevant to the issue, and I thank you for pointing it out. I don't quite agree with the Huffington Post / Heritage Foundation analogy, but in the wide view, it's probably not way far off the mark.

And for the partisanship, I plainly misunderstood the tack you were taking, and that is unfortunate. I'd like to think I get the gist of everone's comments, and roll them into what I know of them as individuals, but sometimes plain text on a screen can be misinterpreted by even the most fair of readings. I'll do better next time.

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Lecktor Hannibal

Fmeh

I just know that having Palin on the ticket allows the republicans to play the same game as someone racist saying they're not racist because they have a friend that's black, as well as it being someone who knows how to (ab)use power. McCain needs all the help he can get if he's to make it (unless the elections really ARE rigged), and in taking a big chance by bringing Palin into the picture is going to make or break his campaign. When you're doing poorly, you've gotta take some chances.

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Lecktor Hannibal

Here's an honest question. I hear all the pundits screaming about Gov. Palin having zero experience in foreign policy. How exactly does one gain that experience before entering a federal office ?

Edav Nomad

From what I've read McCain's pick is bringing in some of the Conservatives that didn't want him as President. If more do that it'll probably be close come November. Also since his pick McCain has received 7 million dollars from online donors alone.

Palin electrifies conservative base - Yahoo! News

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Victoria Kemsley

You don't

Well I guess you could consider a high ranking military officer, but that's kinda semantics, he/she would still be a federal employee. Any other examples would have similar ties I imagine to the government.

Victoria Kemsley

Well here's a thought

Big business

I would imagine that to do business succesfully overseas on a large scale, you would you have to be very familar with the demographics, culture and the government of any country you were trying to do business with.

Hell. now that I think about it, these people probably have more interactions with foreign goverments than most of our elected officials.

detrius

Bernard Kouchner

France's incumbent foreign minister.
Co-founder of "Médecins sans Frontières" and "Médecins du Monde", spent 20 years traveling across the globe, organizing and participating in humanitarian aid efforts for conflict zones before he started a career as a politician. Was undersecretary of state, delegate in the European parliament, Minister of Health (three times in different governments) and UN representative in the Kosovo region before being appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs by Sarkozy in 2007.

...and he was Fidel Castro's drinking buddy for one night in 1964.

Edav Nomad

Not being sexist, but personally I think that some of her supporters were really wanting Hillary as the nominee simply because she is a woman. Since McCain did pick a female and Obama didn't they are jumping ship only because of that.

Lo Jacobs

Every time I hear about this I think one thing: Dumb bitches.

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