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Old 08-31-2008, 01:33 PM   #551 (permalink)
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Some background on the process of McCain's pick.

Note: this is from the New York Times. I'm not sure if this passes muster on Eboni's approved list of news sources or not.
Do you think Biden wasn't pushed on Obama?

One must admit --a man who has been in the Senate for 30 years is an odd pick for a Presidential Candidate who is tired of the same old Washington partisan politics.

That's how it happens, babe.
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:35 PM   #552 (permalink)
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Do you think Biden wasn't pushed on Obama?

One must admit --a man who has been in the Senate for 30 years is an odd pick for a Presidential Candidate who is tired of the same old Washington partisan politics.

That's how it happens, babe.
Yeah its amazing that someone railing against Politics-as-usual has a running mate that is literally Politics-as-usual.



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Actually I rather view Obama-Biden like The Untouchables.

Biden is clearly Sean Connery.
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:38 PM   #554 (permalink)
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Actually I rather view Obama-Biden like The Untouchables.

Biden is clearly Sean Connery.
That makes McCain Robert Denero and Palin whoever the hell played Frank Nitti.
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Actually I rather view Obama-Biden like The Untouchables.

Biden is clearly Sean Connery.
I view it more as Little Orphan Annie picking Daddy Warbucks.
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That makes McCain Robert Denero and Palin whoever the hell played Frank Nitti.
This analogy works for me!
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They both did the same thing ---

McCain .. old as heck .. so he picks someone young to run with so people will get off his case.

Obama .. too damn young .. so he picks someone old to run with so people will get off his case.
Nope, they didn't. Obama reacted to criticism while McCain brought up an issue.

Obama has been under attack for being too "inexperienced" since the beginning of his campaign and he responded by pointing out his 14 years in federal and state government. Nominating Biden as a VP was just the last attempt to soothe the fears of those who aren't satisfied with his credentials.

McCain's age on the other hand has been widely ignored during the entire campaign. But now, thanks to his choice, that's going to change.
Seriously, I don't see Palin contributing anything to McCain's campaign except making him look old.

Biden can contribute to Obama's campaign by giving him advice, sharing his experience with him. Do you believe Palin can make McCain younger by standing next to him?
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I think we can all agree on one thing.

This makes it necessary for Tina Fey to come to back to SNL.
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You can't be serious, from the fucking Huffington Post?

Journalism is dead, completely fucking dead if that bullshit passes as brilliant.
do you consider journalism dead every time someone writes an op-ed piece?

that would mean that journalism has been dead since the inception of print.

it was a well written piece. it made valid points.

/shrug.

let me know when you find a news source that is acceptable for everyone to read, based on carefully chosen and manicured articles.

oh wait. those are all in China.
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Biden is clearly Sean Connery.
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Nope, they didn't. Obama reacted to criticism while McCain brought up an issue.

Obama has been under attack for being too "inexperienced" since the beginning of his campaign and he responded by pointing out his 14 years in federal and state government. Nominating Biden as a VP was just the last attempt to soothe the fears of those who aren't satisfied with his credentials.

McCain's age on the other hand has been widely ignored during the entire campaign. But now, thanks to his choice, that's going to change.
Seriously, I don't see Palin contributing anything to McCain's campaign except making him look old.

Biden can contribute to Obama's campaign by giving him advice, sharing his experience with him. Do you believe Palin can make McCain younger by standing next to him?
Its 11 years in state and federal government

with less than 4 being Federal, 19 months of that on the pres. campaign trail.

Biden was less a smooth then a pick to balance out that lack of experience, among other things.

McCain has gobs of experience, so evidently they felt his pick didn't need much.
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Do you think Biden wasn't pushed on Obama?

One must admit --a man who has been in the Senate for 30 years is an odd pick for a Presidential Candidate who is tired of the same old Washington partisan politics.

That's how it happens, babe.
I disagree that he was pushed, but I really don't have any proof, substantial or anecdotal. I couldn't agree more on the disparity between the ephemeral change and a long-in-the-tooth Senator, but then again I've found it laughable as well to see McCain attempt to be a fresh wind in Washington as well.

I'll take the combined years of governmental experience on the Democratic ticket over the Republicans, as I think this is no time for beginners. And, as I've stated elsewhere, experience is not a Thing but a contextual concept, and I'm not buying into the number of minutes/hours/days/etc of experience that this woman had as mayor of a very, very small town in Alaska as being anywhere near the substantial qualities necessary for such a potentially global-event-driven elected position.
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I think we can all agree on one thing.

This makes it necessary for Tina Fey to come to back to SNL.
I'll welcome that. Frankly, if picking Palin had anything to do with bringing you back, even momentarily, to our presence then I am solidly behind John McCain.

In this one instance.
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Yay scandals, and she hasn't even been governor for a single term yet. I didn't see this posted here, but it seems like a nice article over the troopergate issue Palin is being investigated over.
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on the contrary It seems they felt McCain's pick did need much vagina.
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do you consider journalism dead every time someone writes an op-ed piece?

Just about every time I read anything that is supposed to pass for news in the past 5-7 years. I can't be the only person on the planet that has noticed that writing has really taken a hit since blogging became popular.
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I disagree that he was pushed, but I really don't have any proof, substantial or anecdotal. I couldn't agree more on the disparity between the ephemeral change and a long-in-the-tooth Senator, but then again I've found it laughable as well to see McCain attempt to be a fresh wind in Washington as well.

I'll take the combined years of governmental experience on the Democratic ticket over the Republicans, as I think this is no time for beginners. And, as I've stated elsewhere, experience is not a Thing but a contextual concept, and I'm not buying into the number of minutes/hours/days/etc of experience that this woman had as mayor of a very, very small town in Alaska as being anywhere near the substantial qualities necessary for such a potentially global-event-driven elected position.

I also think it's no time for beginners.

This is why the choice of Obama is an absurd pick.

As far as what Palin HAS done in her 16 years of political experience:


She took on a corrupt republican governor and his cronies, she not only won, but some of them are sitting in jail as we speak and more are under investigation (to bad the dems in congress cannot say that - isn't it?)

McCain wanted someone that shared his views, she is against pork barrel spending and has stood up to Washington on some of the same things McCain did, opposed it! 'Bridge to nowhere":

Alaska's Gravina Island (population less than 50) will soon be connected to the megalopolis of Ketchikan (pop. 8,000) by a bridge nearly as long as the Golden Gate and higher than the Brooklyn Bridge. Alaska residents can thank Rep. Don Young, who just brought home $941 million worth of bacon.

It didn't go through, that is $941 million of taxpayers money that did not get wasted. I for one am GRATEFUL that some politicians oppose this crap, I wish there were more of them! Having 2 that have a history of defeating such waste of OUR MONEY in the White House is GREAT, as far as I am concerned.

McCain found someone that excites HIS BASE (which he HAD to do in order to have a chance at winning) and shares his views, she is competent on energy, environment, economy and how our energy crisis affects both our economy and national security.

She resigned in PROTEST over the corruption:
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004 - Palin was appointed as the Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (AOGCC) by Governor Murkowski in 2003. She spearheaded the investigation that ultimately led the state Republican Party Chairman and AOGCC Randy Ruedrich to resign from the commission. She personally search his desk and computer files for evidence relating to the allegations. Palin resigned from the commission just 11 months after accepting the post when her ethic complaints against Ruedrich were ignored. She filed formal complaints against Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. Both resigned and Ruedrich paid a $12,000 fine.

She also stood up to the big oil companies and made them negotiate on HER TERMS.

She is also the next generation of politicians (one that isn't corrupt), this is what REAL CHANGE looks like. That she happens to be a woman is a bonus to all women.

Yes she is pro-life, so what. I ADMIRE THIS woman. She is not Hillary, she isn't trying to be. She is Sarah Palin.


McCain chose a VP that he respects, that holds the same views of government service that he does, that energizes his party, that has experience and knowledge on key issues affecting the country right now. She happens to be a woman.

It is a shame everyone feels they must insult Sarah because she is not Hillary.

No one is Hillary --

and no one is Sarah.
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Just about every time I read anything that is supposed to pass for news in the past 5-7 years. I can't be the only person on the planet that has noticed that writing has really taken a hit since blogging became popular.
You were criticizing an op-ed piece, not a news piece, and calling it the death of journalism.
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Just about every time I read anything that is supposed to pass for news in the past 5-7 years. I can't be the only person on the planet that has noticed that writing has really taken a hit since blogging became popular.
Its true.

Although I think Reuters becoming a defacto monopoly news-wire has a lot to do with it.
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You were criticizing an op-ed piece, not a news piece, and calling it the death of journalism.

I was criticizing something that was poorly written and called brilliant. We can just disagree on Op-Ed and "News" since they are basically the same thing now, they are just in different sections.
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That is some interesting information Kendra.

It sure seems that those who claim she is less experienced than Obama are exaggerating their case.
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