Richie Waves

100% of GOP trouble makers said they switched to McCain from Hillary.... no self respecting feminist would vote that old bastard in...

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Oooh, Betty! the cat did a shit in the hat

hope Antonelli

Dont know much about Michelle, but NO..you are not the last conservative republican left on SLU..dont give up the faith yet. The party is just beginning!!

Colette Meiji

I'm a bit confused ..

if its 50/50 it will just be politics as usual.

It was 50/50 last time.

it was 50/50 the time before that.

If you take away the third party it probably would have been 50/50 in 92.

it was 50/50 in 1960

How will a close race be one for the history books in any unusual way?

Colette Meiji

Do you read whole threads or just snippets?

Someone else had suggested 16-20 years of Republican Presidencies.

I was referring to that.

Lianne Marten

People who still consider themselves to be Hillary Clinton supporters at this point are less than 10% of the Democratic party.

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Eboni Khan

Winning over a carpet bagger crazo like Keyes is hardly anything to brag about. Yet I guess victory by default is still victory, and Obama won the Senate seat completely by default.

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Gigs

It'll be for the history books as an example of divisiveness and refusal to concede causing a party to lose supporters.

For the last year and a half, Hillary has been telling her supporters "Obama is the enemy". People aren't so adept at doublethink that they can suddenly change that view. Hillary was a very divisive force this election. You are kidding yourself if you are actually saying that her actions didn't hurt the party.

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Gigs

Right, because 27% of them turned into McCain supporters, some fraction of the remaining 70% went to Obama, and the rest will probably just stay home on election day, pissed off and disillusioned.

Eboni Khan

In a county that is split 50/50, all it takes is a few votes in a couple key states to make you President. So every vote counts, don't discredit the importance of the a few unhappy people.

Joshua Nightshade

I think the only person really hurt by Hillary's actions was Hillary.

jacqueline trudeau

Oh, and those cautioning against beating up on Palin because "she's a mother of five" .... where was that counsel before the attacks on Nancy Pelosi. The exact same number of kids.

Palin better be ready for the recieving end of both barrels.

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Colette Meiji

But her conceding would have been dumb. With the super delegate system they came up with, she still had a chance to win the nomination.

The system they came up with fostered that sort of thing. It could easily have happened with two other candidates.

They really need to look over this super-delegate plan of theirs if early party unity is such the key issue you suggest it is.

hope Antonelli

oh yeah, and here's fair politics for you. Obama threatening TV stattions for running an ad linking him to William Ayers, a known terrorist who tried to blow up a police stattion in NY and encourgaged children to kill their parents. Though Obama tries to blow off the relationship as casual, our kids went to the same schools (Obama's kids werent born when Ayers had kids that age) they served on several committees together. And this is the 'change in politics' he promises. Makes one wonder. Obama Threatening TV Stations For Airing Ayers Ad (UPDATE: AIP Responds) « Nice Deb

Lucifer Baphomet

I just noticed claims on this thread that viet cong beatings made McCain's hair turn white.

Hair colour change caused by physical beatings.. LOL

Imagine a wifebeaters defence in court... "Your honour, she said she wanted to go blonde, I was only trying to help her."

PUHLEEZ

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Richie Waves

wasn't Obama like 6 when that all went down?

Gigs

I don't think party unity is the end-all, our system is an adversarial one by nature.

But it wasn't just her official actions. Bill especially was very hostile toward Obama, and so was Hillary to a lesser extent, in various interviews and speaking engagements. They didn't just say "he isn't the best candidate", they actively implied that they thought he was completely unsuitable to be president.

Colette Meiji

Could have been the poor nutrition and sleep deprivation.

Disease ..

etc

hope Antonelli

If its not true then why is he worried about it getting exposed?
Obama: Free Speech Only If We Like It « The Barton Bulletin

jacqueline trudeau

And Keyes got 1,390,690 votes, 10 times as many as Palin has ever recieved in her life. Thank you for making my point

Cindy Claveau

But this has been the Dems' problem since Clinton left office. Between the personal attack tactics and fearmongering of the GOP and the Dems' inability to divorce themselves from the loony-tunes like Huffington, Moore, Hollywood, Ted Kennedy and others who are sending out messages voters do NOT want to hear, the Dems have had an image problem since 2000. And much of that has been self-inflicted. Groups like MoveOn have actually hurt their image with mainstream voters more than they've helped it.

The 2006 Congressional elections showed us that voters aren't necessarily adverse to putting Dems into office - they're adverse to endorsing the wingnuts that always seem to hang around the edges of the party. Did that message finally sink in this year? I think it may have - to me, from a Kansan perspective, the Obama/Biden ticket is much less politically scary than the Gore or Kerry tickets were. And I don't think I'm alone on that. (To clarify, Gore's biggest problem was his lack of charisma. Kerry had a little more charisma, but he was "rich elite" from Massachusetts who had a hard time connecting with voters).

The irony is that there are as many wingnuts hanging on the GOP, some of them actually imbedded in the inner circle - but their radicalism is more palatable to Average American Voter. Why the double standard?

This IS, at the end of the day, a pretty conservative country. (See also the fortunes of George McGovern, Mike Dukakis and Jerry Brown) Maybe the Dems finally wised up. I hope so, otherwise the 2-party system might be in real jeopardy if we get another conservative administration.

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Colette Meiji

They were trying to win.

Sadly in the Democratic party it seems second chances aren't given,

Unlike the Republicans.

Joshua Nightshade

Wow wordpress blogs are a news source now?

Victoria Kemsley

Don't forget the Hillary and Bill factor ethier.

If anyone think's Hillary doesn't still have eyes on the oval office, they are kidding themselves. And her best shot at that is for an Obama defeat this November. If he win's, she won't have another shot for 8 years, which by then she will no longer be a factor. With a Obama loss, she could start campaining immediatly under the banner of "if you had nominated me, we would have won this".


Beware the ides of October.......Hillary and Bill arn't done yet

jacqueline trudeau

You wish Is Rush going to egg them on?

hope Antonelli

Blogs seem to be okay when attacking McCain, here's another for you

Why does Obama's association with Bill Ayer's matter again? (Wizbang)