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Old 08-29-2008, 06:41 PM   #326 (permalink)
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August 10th, Rove spoke about Obama's possible VP choices, specifically Governor Kaine

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"I think he's [Obama] going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."
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"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."
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Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:43 PM   #327 (permalink)
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:45 PM   #328 (permalink)
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It's how Bush won two terms. Palin gives the McCain platform solid hard-right credentials that McCain didn't have.
Right. So, the question is, is their dislike for a feminist career woman enough to keep them at home? I mean, she should be at home too, with the kids, and all.

Seriously, as much as they like hard-right female authors, commentators and coalition members, they don't like it when women have actual power.
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Is there something about this woman in particular that makes you say that Beau, or are you just saying that McCain is not allowed to have a female on the ticket with him?
There's something about McCain that makes me agree with that.
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I think McCain will get some of the white male vote that Obama is having problems with getting.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:50 PM   #331 (permalink)
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10 Things You Didn't Know About Sarah Palin - US News and World Report

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5. Palin and her husband have five children, Bristol, Piper, Track, Willow, and Trig. Trig, born in 2008, has been diagnosed with Down syndrome. Her son Track joined the army in 2007.
Good lord, what horrible names.
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Did anyone else notice that Sarah Palin looks a lot like Sooz Pascale's hot avatar pic over at Second Citizen?
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I hate to admit it, but the more I learn about her, the more I admire her. I really do wish Mrs Palin well.

I disagree with her positions on socials issues with every fiber of my being. I think it is obvious that McCain is using her to score political points. And in no way will I ever vote for her for any office.

But I do admire her for what she has accomplished so far. And anyone who has more children than I do earns a lot of 'street cred' in my book.
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13 pages so far, and I haven't seen anyone acknowledge the real reason McCain picked Tina Fey Palin:

To shore up his support among Evangelicals.

If it's going to be a close election, and there's every sign it could be, McCain needs to be sure the Born-Again Pentacostal voters turn out for him instead of staying home.

It's how Bush won two terms. Palin gives the McCain platform solid hard-right credentials that McCain didn't have.
A faustian bargain as he drives away any thinking independent that might have been leaning his way.

Karl Rove's hard-on over that diminishing demographic will be McCain's undoing.
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Wanna know about McCain's character and how he'd run the country? All you need read is this:

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On October 26, 1967, during his 23rd air mission, McCain´s plane was shot down during a bombing run over the North Vietnamese capital of Hanoi. He broke both arms and one leg during the ensuing crash. McCain was moved to Hoa Loa prison, nicknamed the “Hanoi Hilton,” on December 9, 1969.

His captors soon learned he was the son of a high-ranking officer in the U.S. Navy and repeatedly offered him early release, but McCain refused, not wanting to violate the military code of conduct and knowing that the North Vietnamese would use his release as a powerful piece of propaganda.

McCain eventually spent five and a half years in various prison camps, three and a half of those in solitary confinement, and was repeatedly beaten and tortured before he was finally released, along with other American POWs, on March 14, 1973, less than two months after the Vietnam cease fire went into effect. McCain earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Though McCain had lost most of his physical strength and flexibility, he was determined to continue serving as a naval aviator. After a painful nine months of rehabilitation, he returned to flying duty, but it soon became clear that his injuries had permanently impaired his ability to advance in the Navy. "

So, what you're saying is if McCain was President he would get us shot down with a missile and then "stoically" survive in a PoW camp for 5 years?
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So, what you're saying is if McCain was President he would get us shot down with a missile and then "stoically" survive in a PoW camp for 5 years?
Sounds a lot like the Carter Presidency.

That didn't go so well.
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They're the same age aren't they?
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Wanna know about McCain's character and how he'd run the country? All you need read is this:

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On October 26, 1967, during his 23rd air mission, ... *snip for space*...
So the man was brave, suffered greatly, and was a good soldier. I agree, he deserves recognition for that. But it's got nothing to do with whether or not he'll be a good president.
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I hate to admit it, but the more I learn about her, the more I admire her. I really do wish Mrs Palin well.

I disagree with her positions on socials issues with every fiber of my being. I think it is obvious that McCain is using her to score political points. And in no way will I ever vote for her for any office.

But I do admire her for what she has accomplished so far. And anyone who has more children than I do earns a lot of 'street cred' in my book.

You know, I was pretty harsh today when I first heard the news about McCain picking her...but after hearing what she has accomplished in such short time, I would agree with you.

I am impressed.
Not sure that I am impressed enough to trust her with the country quite yet, but impressed enough to listen and learn about her more over the coming weeks.
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McCain talks about his judgement, yet he gives the VP nomination to someone who he had met only one time six months ago and had only one conversation with her prior to offering her the nomination for VP. If you are going to be offering someone such a important position, you would think you would get to know them a bit better before doing so. It gives credence to this being purely a pandering political move that is about getting elected, not about what is right for the country.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...n-chose-palin/
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McCain talks about his judgement, yet he gives the VP nomination to someone who he had met only one time six months ago and had only one conversation with her prior to offering her the nomination for VP. If you are going to be offering someone such a important position, you would think you would get to know them a bit better before doing so. It gives credence to this being purely a pandering political move that is about getting elected, not about what is right for the country.

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Its his last chance. Next time (if he's still alive), he will be 76. I guess any day now, he will don his Batman costume and "fight terrorism" to win the Crazy As A Shithouse Rat Vote.
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McCain talks about his judgement, yet he gives the VP nomination to someone who he had met only one time six months ago and had only one conversation with her prior to offering her the nomination for VP. If you are going to be offering someone such a important position, you would think you would get to know them a bit better before doing so. It gives credence to this being purely a pandering political move that is about getting elected, not about what is right for the country.
There is truth in that. But there is also truth in saying that Obama picked Biden for the very same reasons.

Biden clearly said he does not think that Obama is qualified to be president. I am sure he has had a change of heart about that. And we can certainly forgive him for saying this kind of thing during a campaign against Obama. But he has also been very clear that he likes John McCain a great deal, considers him a friend, and does feel McCain is qualified to be president. Biden has disagreed with Obama a lot, and agreed with McCain a lot, particularly over the war in Iraq and the surge. Obama/Biden is a political odd couple at best.

Obama chose Biden because Biden brings experience, wisdom and foreign policy experience and that will help him get elected.

McCain chose Palin because he knows Palin brings youth, vigor, and conservative ideals and that will help him get elected.

The choice of VP in American politics is always about creating a more compelling ticket for voters.
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The choice of VP in American politics is always about creating a more compelling ticket for voters.
And, even if a person was 100% in agreement with that statement, it in no way avoids the stunning reality: that person is also the Very Next Person In Line For The Presidency, in the case that something were to happen to either McCain or Obama.

That, to me, is far more sobering than the political pandering done in the pick of the VP candidate. They've been chosen, and I'll still base my work primarily on the main candidate; nonetheless - Biden or Palin. In a complex world that seems to be skewing closer to chaos rather than farther away, which of these two would you want in the power seat of the Oval Office?
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In a complex world that seems to be skewing closer to chaos rather than farther away, which of these two would you want in the power seat of the Oval Office?
I am not going to argue that Palin is somehow more qualified than Biden. However, I am going to reserve my judgment about her until I have learned a lot more. That said, I think the disparity in experience between Obama and McCain is equally great, and these are the primary candidates for president. If one argues that Obama's superior vision, ideas and judgment more than compensate for his lack of experience and would make him a better president than McCain, one must also be open to the idea that the same arguement could be made for Palin.
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Except that the disparity in experience between Obama and Palin is moreso than the disparity between he and McCain, by far.

Her highest position was governor of Alaska? He met her once, six months ago?

No, this was simply a move about trying to steal the thunder from Obama and the "historic" claims. This was not a move about what was the best VP pick for McCain, what's the best option for his party, what's the best move for the country.

It was SOLELY about being divisive and making cheap moves.
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Except that the disparity in experience between Obama and Palin is moreso than the disparity between he and McCain, by far. Her highest position was governor of Alaska?
We will have to disagree about this one Joshua. Neither Obama nor Palin have much experience at all. I could concede that of the four of them Palin has the least experience, but not by much. And her experience is in the executive branch, where Obama has no experience. The fact is 16 presidents were governors first (15 presidents were senators first). It's good experience. But neither has much of either. Both presidential candidates balanced their ticket in way they thought was best. And I would be willing to bet that Palin likes McCain, and agrees with him, a whole lot more than Biden does Obama.
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