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Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

I'm part of the Old as Dirt crowd and I haven't seen it all yet... despite extensive travel and a sad addiction to history and sociology.

So yeah, any young whippersnapper of 30+ is going to get a chuckle from me too.

I'm flattered you all think I'm so young.

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I'm flattered you all think I'm so young.

I knew you were gonna post that.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 04:41 PM

And honestly, if you don't get that when I say I've seen it all, I meant politics, I don't know what to say to you.

How many convention speeches have you seen? How many promises? How many buzzes and highs and omg we are going to win and now things will change have you gone through?

I've gone through ENOUGH.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

I knew you were gonna post that.

Then again it's probably just that I'm so immature.

Liona Clio · 08-29-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

I mean, Obama is the modern candidate in as much as he is simply not white and has a good chance of winning the presidency. Personally, I find everything else a lot of projection. He is just a garden variety centrist democrat otherwise. Like a lot of other candidates without the charisma.

Whew. Good thing, too. I was getting overloaded with this whole Obama, God of Democracy angle.

I personally think we could use a garden variety centrist democrat in the White House about now. Hmm, garden variety...kinda vanilla. Why did this slogan just pop into my head?

Obama '08 - He's whiter than you think

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Then again it's probably just that I'm so immature.

Its probably because you have the heart of a child....

You know,

The one in the jar in your fridge.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 04:48 PM

Honestly, that is what I've been saying all along.

Just right the ship, we are heading for a cliff, man.

Is he the best guy to do the really difficult job of fixing the mess that will be left behind? Nearly every single department in federal governement has been FUBARED under Bush, you know the kind of micromanagement it is going to take to fix that? And then there is the whole, we are embroiled in a horrible, complicated, delicate and dangerous international situation in Iraq which could easily get so much worse it's hard to think about, given the oil, the Russians, the Chinese and Iran.

If inspiring speeches are the answer to all that, I guess I'm looking at this all wrong.

Bams · 08-29-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Honestly, that is what I've been saying all along.

Just right the ship, we are heading for a cliff, man.

Is he the best guy to do the really difficult job of fixing the mess that will be left behind? Nearly every single department in federal governement has been FUBARED under Bush, you know the kind of micromanagement it is going to take to fix that? And then there is the whole, we are embroiled in a horrible, complicated, delicate and dangerous international situation in Iraq which could easily get so much worse it's hard to think about, given the oil, the Russians, the Chinese and Iran.

If inspiring speeches are the answer to all that, I guess I'm looking at this all wrong.

I'm sure John McCain would be kicking ass and taking names right?

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bams

I'm sure John McCain would be kicking ass and taking names right?

Read the whole thread..

Io has said several times of the two, Obama is the better man.

Just he's the lesser of 2 evils, not the fucking messiah.

Jessica Robertson · 08-29-2008, 04:56 PM

oh, a TI-89, I have that calculator!

It doesn't make black holes, should I take it back?

Bams · 08-29-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

Read the whole thread..

Io has said several times of the two, Obama is the better man.

Just he's the lesser of 2 evils, not the fucking messiah.

Yewah I read the whole thread. Quoting that paragraph with my comments summed up my opinion on the entire issue that's all. Wasn't a dig at IO.

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bams

Yewah I read the whole thread. Quoting that paragraph with my comments summed up my opinion on the entire issue that's all. Wasn't a dig at IO.

KK

hope Antonelli · 08-29-2008, 04:59 PM

I wasnt talking about VAT at all, I was talking about a friend in the UK who needed a root canal and had to wait 8 months to get an appointment to see the dentist. Sure it was free, but hearing her in so much pain because it took so long to find an available dental appointment wasnt pleasant. I'm talking about a Dutch friend who recently lost her home because she was living with her mother, and now that the mom is disabled and going to a care home she is losing her house, her beloved pets and her privacy because she no longer 'qualifies' for a single residence because she is not married and has no children. Is this the sort of thing that America has to look forward to? No thanks..

Surreal Farber · 08-29-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

And honestly, if you don't get that when I say I've seen it all, I meant politics, I don't know what to say to you.

How many convention speeches have you seen? How many promises? How many buzzes and highs and omg we are going to win and now things will change have you gone through?

I've gone through ENOUGH.

Are you over 40? I thought you were in your mid 30s for some reason. It was joking anyway, but in some ways... maybe not.

I've seen a lot of politics. Both Kennedy's assasinated, Dr. King too. Wallace getting shot. The riots in Daly's Chicago. The Kent State shootings. Watts riots. Cities burning. Reagan's first term. Roe v. Wade. Stonewall. Vietnam, Libya, shit...

And that only covers US politics.

I was in Berlin when the wall came down. I have a fist-sized chunk sitting on a table in my living room. It was a hell of a party and I got drunk as a skunk that night.

So yeah, I have to chuckle a bit when you present as nihilistic "seen it all." While I sadly relate to the cynicism, none of us have seen it all in American politics yet... and if I was a religious person, I would pray that we never do.

Bams · 08-29-2008, 04:59 PM

Personally I'm not sure anyone can create the appropriate environment to promote change. It's going to be an uphill battle and most politicians generally prefer the easiest path IMO. I'm going to be stockpiling munitions and food for that Red Dawn/Terminator 3 scenario that's on the way.

(sarcasm........ mostly.

)

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hope Antonelli

I wasnt talking about VAT at all, I was talking about a friend in the UK who needed a root canal and had to wait 8 months to get an appointment to see the dentist. Sure it was free, but hearing her in so much pain because it took so long to find an available dental appointment wasnt pleasant. I'm talking about a Dutch friend who recently lost her home because she was living with her mother, and now that the mom is disabled and going to a care home she is losing her house, her beloved pets and her privacy because she no longer 'qualifies' for a single residence because she is not married and has no children. Is this the sort of thing that America has to look forward to? No thanks..

Dentistry isn't actually covered by national insurance, and hasn't been for years unless you are in receipt of a state benefiit such as income support..

On top of that, I've never had any problems finding a dentist at any time, and I've both had to pay for dentistry, and had free dentistry due to receipt of income support.

Also, I've used the Dental teaching hospital in Glasgow for Dental emergencies, and been attended to the same day.

Edit: yes, there are problems in some areas regarding finding NHS Dentists.. see before Thatcher started to run down the NHS, dentists were required to do free work for those who qualified for it... Her problem was related to right wing fuckheads trying to dismantle Universal Health care.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

Are you over 40? I thought you were in your mid 30s for some reason. It was joking anyway, but in some ways... maybe not.

I've seen a lot of politics. Both Kennedy's assasinated, Dr. King too. Wallace getting shot. The riots in Daly's Chicago. The Kent State shootings. Watts riots. Cities burning. Reagan's first term. Roe v. Wade. Stonewall. Vietnam, Libya, shit...

And that only covers US politics.

I was in Berlin when the wall came down. I have a fist-sized chunk sitting on a table in my living room. It was a hell of a party and I got drunk as a skunk that night.

So yeah, I have to chuckle a bit when you present as nihilistic "seen it all." While I sadly relate to the cynicism, none of us have seen it all in American politics yet... and if I was a religious person, I would pray that we never do.

Surreal, honestly, what does any of that have to do with an offhand comment about having seen enough of the presidential elections in this country to know how completely full of shit it is.

It. Is. Bullshit.

This has nothing to do with the wall in Berlin or riots in the 60's.

Surreal Farber · 08-29-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Io Zeno

Surreal, honestly, what does any of that have to do with an offhand comment about having seen enough of the presidential elections in this country to know how completely full of shit it is.

It. Is. Bullshit.

This has nothing to do with the wall in Berlin or riots in the 60's.

I misunderstood you then, I thought you were referring to American politics.

But back to focusing on the important stuff. You're 40+? That's hawt.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 05:17 PM

Please, if someone wants to present an argument that the election of a President in the USA is a shining example of the greatness of democracy, a testament to the wonder of the system, in which only the best and the brightest win on the issues alone, PLEASE DO.

Otherwise, stop calling me some sort of stupid nihilist.

Io Zeno · 08-29-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

I misunderstood you then, I thought you were referring to American politics.

But back to focusing on the important stuff. You're 40+? That's hawt.

I thought everyone knew that and now this forum has made me out myself when I could pass myself off as 32.

Lucifer Baphomet · 08-29-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

I misunderstood you then, I thought you were referring to American politics.

But back to focusing on the important stuff. You're 40+? That's hawt.

She's very hawt

08-29-2008, 04:41 PM	#303 (permalink)
Io Zeno Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,349 Awards: 1	And honestly, if you don't get that when I say I've seen it all, I meant politics, I don't know what to say to you. How many convention speeches have you seen? How many promises? How many buzzes and highs and omg we are going to win and now things will change have you gone through? I've gone through ENOUGH.

08-29-2008, 04:48 PM	#307 (permalink)
Io Zeno Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,349 Awards: 1	Honestly, that is what I've been saying all along. Just right the ship, we are heading for a cliff, man. Is he the best guy to do the really difficult job of fixing the mess that will be left behind? Nearly every single department in federal governement has been FUBARED under Bush, you know the kind of micromanagement it is going to take to fix that? And then there is the whole, we are embroiled in a horrible, complicated, delicate and dangerous international situation in Iraq which could easily get so much worse it's hard to think about, given the oil, the Russians, the Chinese and Iran. If inspiring speeches are the answer to all that, I guess I'm looking at this all wrong.

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hope Antonelli Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 115 My Mood:	I wasnt talking about VAT at all, I was talking about a friend in the UK who needed a root canal and had to wait 8 months to get an appointment to see the dentist. Sure it was free, but hearing her in so much pain because it took so long to find an available dental appointment wasnt pleasant. I'm talking about a Dutch friend who recently lost her home because she was living with her mother, and now that the mom is disabled and going to a care home she is losing her house, her beloved pets and her privacy because she no longer 'qualifies' for a single residence because she is not married and has no children. Is this the sort of thing that America has to look forward to? No thanks..

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08-29-2008, 05:17 PM	#319 (permalink)
Io Zeno Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 12,349 Awards: 1	Please, if someone wants to present an argument that the election of a President in the USA is a shining example of the greatness of democracy, a testament to the wonder of the system, in which only the best and the brightest win on the issues alone, PLEASE DO. Otherwise, stop calling me some sort of stupid nihilist.