Eboni Khan

I'm no Hillary fan, but I feel she has really been screwed over this election year over and over again. John Edwards cheated on his wife, and lied about it repeatedly when asked about, stayed in the race and pulled out late, then finally admitted that he did cheat on his wife. If this information was out earlier, it would have damaged his crappy campaign and he would have tanked or never ran, the information was out there in December of last year and he denied it. This could have helped or hurt Hillary, we will never know which but that lie, cost Hillary and probably Obama too in some ways.

Hillary got 18 MILLION votes in the primaries. Biden received 5,000 votes. Biden is clearly not the choice of the people, Democrats didn't vote for him or support him in droves. Yet he was picked over Clinton.

I know Hillary isn't popular with a lot of people but I think she would have been a bolder choice. I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would have crushed McCain. Obama/Biden, ehh not so much, Biden is not going to give Obama a bump, the only thing he can do is not hurt him. Obama is still going to be running alone and he will have to try and keep Biden shut up so he doesn't make the dumb comments he is prone to. Clinton would have been more polarizing, but I think she is a choice that would have galvanized more people to support this ticket. Biden doesn't bring a fan club with him.


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Obama is currently only up 3-5% and if people hate the republicans and the way the country currently is being ran into the ground, Obama should be up by 10-15%. If Obama loses in November, I think the Biden choice will be part of the blame.

Dnate Mars

1) I don't think Hillary would have taken the VP if offered
2) I don't think Hillary would have helped Obama, infact I think it would have hurt him. Many people would vote for anybody but Hillary.

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Listening to a political commentator over lunch who said that Kathleen Sibelius, Kansas Gov., was a frontrunner until Obama's advisers pointed out that offering it to her instead of Hillary would have pissed off Hill's supporters and cost Obama some support.

Political decisions sometimes are made for non-obvious reasons.

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Eboni Khan

There was a WSJ article and poll last week that said Clinton would have given Obama a 9% bump, I read it but now I can't find it...

Jessica Robertson

I agree, and in a general election, I think he chose safe over bold.
I think it was probably a wise move.

Eboni Khan

Yeah, Kerry was never bold and it worked out great for him.

Bard Jameson

One commentator I read suggested it was because the two would have competed for star status. Biden won't compete with Obama in that way, nor would any other choice, for that matter. I don't know if that is so, but they are both very powerful and charismatic, and no doubt would clash often, both on policy and personality.

I'm sure it isn't that simple, but food for thought.

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Charlemagne Allen

Hillary has a freighttrain's load of baggage, and fared badly in the election against certain popular conceptions of her.Furthermore, Obama doesn't need another big name in his office. There never was a chance of her getting the nomination.

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Now what to do....Biden is....how did someone else put it here,

Boring............

Joshua Nightshade

Not to mention, hey, but could Hillary have been the reason why Hillary lost the nomination?

I mean the attacking, petty campaign she launched, the way she held on and refused to concede even after her own party begged her to, even after it was mathematically impossible for her to get enough votes to win, all the while she had no shot but kept trying to wreck the party.

And then even after she did concede, she's not helped Obama, she's sitting there demanding a speech at the convention and her name on the ballots, when those are irrelevant gestures at best.

Hillary lost Hillary the nomination. Not Obama, not Biden, not someone's personal sex life, not Bush, not WMDs, not Nibiru.

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Richie Waves

Yes, why would he not pick the women who said herself and McCain are fit to be president and he's just smooth talking empty suit..

I'm baffled..

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Eboni Khan

Biden said the same thing about Obama and he picked him. Come on Richie you are usually better with your homework.

Richie Waves

Well it wasn't only that now was it? "as far as I know" remember that?
oh, and her increasingly erratic husband who was a downright liability and made some very race baiting comments..

Biden is much better a pick, has a more humble backround too that will play nice with the working class and the older generation.

The Right where positively licking their chops at the thought of an Obama/Clinton ticket... I'm delighted Obama disappointed them.

Colette Meiji

Obama doesn't like Hillary

Vivienne Graves

Why wasn't Hillary considered? Bill and his dodgy financial dealings (money for pardons, shady presidential library donors, consulting for Dubai, Kazakhstan, etc) made it highly unlikely that she'd pass the vetting process; she's extremely unpopular among 'independent' voters; her presence on any Democratic ticket would energise Republicans who aren't too enthusiastic about McCain to turn out and vote against her; she stupidly gave the GOP a ready-made attack ad in the event she was selected as Obama's running mate by saying 'I have a lifetime of experience...John McCain has a lifetime of experience...and Obama has a speech'; and she didn't actually get over 18 million votes, either (the Michigan and Florida results are null; not legitimate primaries by DNC rules...and it's been estimated that some four million of her votes were from Republican Limbaugh fans crossing over to vote for her just to fuck with the Democratic primaries).

Colette Meiji

There is also the fact that The Dems are a bit divided between the Obama supporters and Bill Clinton's (Hillary's) supporters.

Giving Hillary the nod would be kinda of giving a nod to Bill, perhaps?

And the Obama side might not want that.

Still I think that animosity might have had something to do with it. Maybe neither Obama, nor any of the people who come up with the short list -were interested in putting her on it.

Vengence Opus

she wasn't chosen because she's bat shit insane.

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Lianne Marten

The Democratic Party is not divided. At all. If you're counting those PUMA idiots, no Democrat in their right mind would switch over to McCain over Obama. They are all self-righteous jackasses who can't stand to not get their way or are actually Republicans trying to rile things up.

The vast majority of people who supported Clinton in the primaries are still supporting Obama even though he wasn't their preference. The ones who were too die-hard Clinton supporters will either not vote or vote Green.

Any major dissent in the Democratic party over Clinton is a complete fabrication by Republican shills and a mainstream media that is addicted to controversy and near-tie elections to boost ratings.

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Cindy Claveau

I don't know, but after watching Michelle speak tonight I wanted to vote for HER.

Colette Meiji

I dont mean divided in that they would vote Republican.

Just divided between those who feel loyalty to Bill Clinton and those who don't.

Bill Clinton I think thought he had more influence left than he really did.

That divide is there I think. There are always divides in Parties.

Lianne Marten

I don't see how Bill Clinton factors into this at all. Hillary was running, not Bill. What, having him lurking around the East Wing would somehow affect her ability to work out a good domestic policy?

Vengence Opus

someone has to pick the interns.

Colette Meiji

Wow.

He factored in big time. Even the loopy pundits were saying that.

It wasn't about Policy it was about inner-party politics.

Bill Clinton ran the Democratic party in every way that mattered for a long time.

jauani

i don't think bill clinton is a liability. that guy served 8 years successfully as president. he's adored around the world. he's all around awesome.

Eboni Khan

I have so little respect for her as a person, neighbor, and woman due to her work at University of Chicago Hospital. I would never even vote for Michelle for Alderwoman. She makes Dorthy Tillman seem caring and for the people.