SLUniverse Forums

Vivianne Draper

this will not end well

__________________

Richie Waves

It started ok I thought.. I just think Beau could have a slightly thicker skin when it comes to his faith.. I doubt he posted this expecting us lot to agree.. :/

__________________
My lastfm

It's not trouble until its wreaked something

Merovigan

And we can mark our advancement as a species by the times we did it less.

Humps

I don't know.....there could yet be a miracle

__________________

CrossingStyx

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke

If you look at the history of medical and biologal science it is essentially one long chain of mis-interpretations and "miracles" that would eventually be explained by more advanced technology. In the interim, positive unexplained events are "miracles" (magic), and negative ones are given names and used as a catch-all (SIDS). 50 years from now we will explanations for many of the cases that are considered miraculous, because in each of them there is a scientific explanation, even if our technology isn't sufficiently advanced enough to interpret it.

Brodie Landar

In all actuality religion has stepped us backwards. based upon the fact that 89% of all major wars stemmed from religion....."ITS TIME TO PROGRESS...LETS PRAY LESS..." lmao jk

__________________

Surreal Farber

The more important news here is that 43% don't.

If you had done this poll a few 100 years ago, the numbers of adults who believed in magic would have been closer to 90%+.

Merovigan

Yeah, he said what I wanted to say but better, because he's smarter.

Merovigan

Thanks for the perspective.

FlipperPA Peregrine

The reason it is so exciting to be alive - and why death is a crucial component - is that we'll never know everything there is to know. While I don't believe in a Christian (or Jewish, or Muslim) high power, I'm not willing to rule out that there might be a higher power of some kind. Whether that's super-advanced aliens who've fucked with our evolution or some kind of power beyond all comprehension, or nothing at all outside of our minds, I won't even venture to guess.

My main problem with putting a specific face on God or a higher power is that you diminish the entire concept, and I find it to be the height of human arrogance to give human traits to something that should be purely spiritual.

Regards,

-Flip

__________________
Peregrine Salon: Flip & Jenn's thang.

FlipperPA Peregrine

Oh, and:



He's the fucking man.

CrossingStyx

Something else to consider as a side note to my earlier point. Miracles are frequently considered the providence of a religious icon. Based on the chart towards the bottom, religions that have been founded post-19th century generally boast less than 5 million followers world-wide. Most of the "successful" religions were founded before the advent of modern science, and while they still gain members now, it's interesting to consider how successful they would have been if all of the key miracles they are founded off of had been subjected to scrutiny by the modern scientific community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Merovigan

This also brings to mind the stigma of more modern religions (Tom Cruise's cult comes to mind) and how they have been subjected to modern science and exposed for what they are.

Brodie Landar

SEE I TOLD YOU PEOPLE GOD DIDNT LOOK LIKE A STONED HIPPIE!!! hes totally a fucking kickass cyborg dude thing.....pffft no one listens to me

Ash

I think the point of this story was about how doctors need to handle someone’s faith. I think the article is dead on about approaching them with tenderness and understanding. I also think 20% of the doctors believing in miracle is a high percentage, I am pleasantly surprised by that number myself. The doctor that was interviewed here even said it rarely becomes a problem that has to involve the court. The high majority of people, faith or no faith do have a sense of reality. It claimed it may delay the decision a few days. In the example you gave Mero, of a child terminally ill, I don’t think it requires faith in God for a parent to hesitate and think twice before giving up hope.

Why do these conversations always have to turn into two or three being very insulting towards others? And then you defend it by saying they need thicker skin. No you can be a little more respectful.. I know there are people here who Beau discusses this stuff in depth with, without it getting ugly. I think Lucifer would testify that Beau is not sensitive about his faith, he just does not like when words like “stupid” and comments meant to ridicule devalue the discussion.

Surreal Farber

I don't care if people believe that God will intervene in their lives. I only start to care about it when it interferes with other people's life - namely my own.

When I'm brain dead, I want to die. I don't want heroic measures tying me to what amounts to so much dead meat. If there is an afterlife, then I want to get on with it and either way, I want my loved ones to get on with grieving and healing.

Assuming anyone is upset besides my cat.

I want a doctor who believes in science, not magic. That doesn't mean that they can't be religious, but I want the balance tipped firmly towards good medical practice and science.

Surreal Farber

Because we have a troll or two here, like any forum.

Realistically, though it annoys me when Beau throws out something that he should realize is going to be controversial and then throws up his hands when the trolls come out to play. Put them on ignore and talk to the rest of us.

Richie Waves

FFS nothing said thus far in this thread comes anywhere near a dam troll for christ sakes...

CrossingStyx

I disagree here. Mero and Richie may not have been particularly polite in the way they phrased their points, but that is completely different from trolling.

troll 2685 up, 161 down
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument



Granted this is off of urban dictionary, but dictionary.com didn't have a definition for the context. Not being polite doesn't automatically mean someone is trolling.

Allana Dion

I had something I was about to post, but Ash said it just fine.

__________________
--------

Lucifer Baphomet