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lily joliat

if you came back as a chicken, maybe

Fmeh

Well, companion animals ARE slaves, there is an animal holocaust happening all the time, and we ARE cruel, but so are all the other animals out there—maybe not to the degree we are, but they need to eat.

We’re cruel and we move around the most matter around the planet out of any other species, and that’s just the way it is. There’s no sense in trying to hide behind false pretenses. And if we go microscopic, we kill things every few minutes. That’s just the way it is.

Does this mean I think we should have human slavery? No. Does this mean I think dogs (and other animals) should run free? No, there are too many cars and too many accidents would occur, and too many people would get hurt by dogs that are vicious. Since we have not yet devised a way to effectively communicate with other animals, we have a hard time letting them have a culture and live they way they want while still allowing US to do the same, there is no democratic process possible with other animals, and therefore letting them run free is not a viable option. We call the shots because we CAN, and that’s just the way it is.

The only way we could free the animals like that is if we designated land as being the animal’s land, and it would have to be something that gets planned for years and the plan would take many more years to execute, and it would have to be fenced off in a way that is reliable and dependable—we’d also have to sort-of babysit the animals too and control their actions when they get tired of eating all the plant-based materials we’d be spending millions on a year to feed to them, and there’s no way in hell to get enough people together on something like that, it would be costly, and it would end up in the end being similar to a giant zoo in some ways, so it’s pointless to think about.

“We’re here, get used to it” is what we say to the planet. We ARE like a cancer to the planet, one that both digs down deep and one that destroys the surface and destroys the protective layer. That’s just the way it is. If we’re to survive, we need to be careful of what we do in the longrun as to not make the planet uninhabitable for humans.

PETA seems to think that through aggression and extremes they can get people to see their points and suddenly change their beliefs that are deep-down traditions that aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. It’s not working, it CAN’T work, it’s like expecting to just explain some facts to extremist Muslims in countries that have an extreme strict Sharia law and have them start thinking about a few things and eventually drop their religion—it just doesn’t work that way. People are strong in their beliefs that OWNING animals isn’t slavery and a whole number of other things, there’s really nothing that can be done about that. I OWN an animal, I love Misty very much, and I’m well aware that she is pretty much my slave but I want to make her life as great as possible. Some people don’t care and treat their animals like the way that the majority of slave owners treated human slaves.

Since things are the way they are, I just go with it. We’re cruel, yes. Tough titties. If “everyone just got along”, which is a John Lennon “Imagine” sort of pipe dream, we COULD be better than the other animals by not doing worse things than they do (for instance, not raising chickens with genetically weak legs that break if they try to walk and they’re under horrible conditions crammed together in tiny cages to be then killed in horrible ways) by not being as “cruel”. The thing is, we’ve gotta eat somehow, and when you look at plants, they’re made of the same matter and we don’t have ANY idea on how if there’s any sort of spirituality or anything to them, so because we don’t know, we seem to assume that eating plants and raising them in similar ways to what we do to the animals is somehow less cruel. I think that sort of thinking is completely false and it’s a way that people can make themselves feel better about being human, feel better about being in the reality we live in.

I suppose we could try to genetically create an animal that actually wants to be eaten (like in HGTTG) as some sort of “answer” to this problem, but the whole process of creating that breed of animal would cause a controversy that would stop it from happening in the first place, stop it in its tracks, and quickly.

No matter WHAT we do, we’re being “cruel” to one degree or another. There’s impossible pipe dreams and then there’s reality. The reality is that we can’t change what we are unless genetics were to be involved somehow, and that springs up some really ugly thoughts.

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Cocoanut Koala

I think my cat owns me. I'm pretty sure HE thinks so, anyway.

Plus, when I let him out of the house, he comes back. So I figure he's here of his own accord.

Poor thing, we just discovered he has hyperthyroidism, accounting for his recent weight loss. I'm hoping the medication will improve things for him 100%.

coco

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Arilynn

I agree, Fade. I tried, but I didn't do a good job. I only get points for vagueness, I think. You probably could do better and I often end up hitting the "I agree" button after your posts so it usually is less work for me.

Trout Recreant

I think the motorcycle chains, tire irons and hunting knives that the Hells Angels have might offset the advantage. It would sure cure the PETA members of throwing blood on people, though!

I draw a major distinction between vegans and nutjob activists. I have nothing but respect for vegans, but I have zero respect for PETA members.

Teriyaki chicken. Just in case anyone was wondering what I had for lunch. It was delicious.

Cindy Claveau

No, but I hear their soup is pretty good for yours.

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Colette Meiji

I thought you were supposedly going to Arby's

Trout Recreant

Arby's was yesterday. Also delicious.

lily joliat

I have my jewish grandma's chicken soup recipe. It cures foul moods, depression, and headaches so i've experienced so far.

And sadly, I had ramen noodles for lunch. Chicken "flavored" however.

Flood Mommsen

The other question is: If no one would eat meat anymore, or dairy products or eggs...and no one would wear leather...who would bother with keeping and breeding cows and pigs and chicken?

PETA is working directly in the direction of the extinction of those species!

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Roxie Marten

I know my dog own me. She conned me into a ride to mickey dees by faking she had to go out

Rox

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