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Lila · 08-07-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Arilynn

But Lila, what if that research found the reason monkeys can be HIV+ and not develop AIDS and that lead to some protection for humans? It is my understanding that this is the point of a lot of this research. There was a New Yorker article on it last year - other primates have different...forgetting the word...genetic things that prevent HIV from developing into AIDS. There is now work on seeing whether this can be of use to humans.

I am a huge animal lover and eat only vegan when it is stuff I make just for me. But I think some animal experimentation is necessary, even if it would make me sick to see it.

Maybe you're right, but as I understood it. They did, to be able to test aids vaccine. And a few years ago, a woman scientist won the Nobel prize for testing in onions.

Found some links about the doctors that was against animal testing because it wasn't safe for humans:
http://www.lobsa.org/Doctors_Speak_O...al_Testing.htm
http://www.ohsukillsprimates.com/against.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/argum...l-testing.html
http://www.dlrm.org/
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/dav.html

If they are to test on animals, they shouldn't just do it out of habit, just because they are curious or because the always had.

Joshua Nightshade · 08-07-2008, 02:21 PM

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Lila · 08-07-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lily joliat

That might get them in a world of trouble. I'd love to see the Hell's Angels beating up a bunch of vegans.

So we are funny?

Did you just assume that all vegans are activists? Or is the fact that we have other values a threat to you?

Darkley · 08-07-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

Why?

if i have to explain the difference between a holocaust survivor and a battery chicken......

Lila · 08-07-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkley

if i have to explain the difference between a holocaust survivor and a battery chicken......

So suffering is different depending the size of the animal? Or the intelligence? What I can see is that in both cases, cruel humans are responsible.

Cocoanut Koala · 08-07-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

So suffering is different depending the size of the animal? Or the intelligence? What I can see is that in both cases, cruel humans are responsible.

Hmmm . . . well, what about the cruel animals?

coco

Darkley · 08-07-2008, 02:30 PM

according to peta - keeping tropical fish is cruel, having a dog is cruel, owning cats is cruel?

pet owner??

i know i am

Arilynn · 08-07-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

So, why did the Nevrocedyne scandal happen? If they are testing and testing again?

After some Google help, I think you are talking about thalidomide, made by the company Neurosedyn, right? The FDA in the US never approved its use because an official thought it had not been tested thoroughly or well enough. And I thought I read (but can't find a link ATM - crappy connection is too slow) that there is evidence that some in the German company that made thalidomide realized it could cause birth defects but kept that information hidden. If I remember, I'll try to look later (but I might have read it in a book and not online).

Adam Zaius · 08-07-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

So suffering is different depending the size of the animal? Or the intelligence? What I can see is that in both cases, cruel humans are responsible.

Mostly the intelligence.

I personally find cruelty adds an extra flavour to meat, which is why I get battery veal.

Lila · 08-07-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoanut Koala

Hmmm . . . well, what about the cruel animals?

coco

What cruel animals are you referring to? The hens we were discussing? Or did you just change the subject?

Joshua Nightshade · 08-07-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkley

according to peta - keeping tropical fish is cruel, having a dog is cruel, owning cats is cruel?

pet owner??

i know i am

Yes if PETA had their way it would be illegal to have any type of pet.

Ancillary to the fact apparently that domesticated animals live longer and have better care in captivity than on their own.

Eboni Khan · 08-07-2008, 02:33 PM

I love Vegan Chocolate Chip Cookies. Mmm

Cocoanut Koala · 08-07-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

What cruel animals are you referring to? The hens we were discussing? Or did you just change the subject?

The ones I was just talking about. Animals killing and eating each other.

coco

Lila · 08-07-2008, 02:36 PM

Ok, I did it again. Trying to discuss things that mean too much for me. Ending up getting sad - again

Backing out and let the grownups continue the discussion

Jessyanne · 08-07-2008, 02:36 PM

It kinda sounds like there's a bit of confusing between a Vegan and a PETA member..

You guys dont assume all vegans are PETA members right?

Joshua Nightshade · 08-07-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessyanne

It kinda sounds like there's a bit of confusing between a Vegan and a PETA member..

You guys dont assume all vegans are PETA members right?

I've been pretty specific.

Decadent · 08-07-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

Ok, I did it again. Trying to discuss things that mean too much for me. Ending up getting sad - again

Backing out and let the grownups continue the discussion

Come lay down with Cindy and I. We'll make it all better.

Ok, I really do need that cold shower.

Colette Meiji · 08-07-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessyanne

It kinda sounds like there's a bit of confusing between a Vegan and a PETA member..

You guys dont assume all vegans are PETA members right?

Im sure not all Vegans are PETA members.

But all actual Peta members would have to be Vegan? Wouldn't they?

I highly doubt all the naked celebrities are actual real members of Peta or Vegans

Arilynn · 08-07-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

So suffering is different depending the size of the animal? Or the intelligence? What I can see is that in both cases, cruel humans are responsible.

There is a difference IMO.

I saw a horse get into an accident and break its leg beyond repair. I love horses, and this was an extremely gentle, sweet, kind-eyed mare. It suffered greatly before it was euthanized. When it died, a person lost a beloved, expensive horse and the possibility of a fun, productive relationship with it. But the world did not lose anything. When a person suffers and dies, the world loses something, even if that person seemed to contribute nothing.

I am not explaining this well. Maybe someone else can.

Arilynn · 08-07-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lila

Ok, I did it again. Trying to discuss things that mean too much for me. Ending up getting sad - again

Backing out and let the grownups continue the discussion

Don't get too sad. I'm sure you know if you have strong opinions people may disagree, but passion and caring are good things. This doesn't make you a child.

And remember, this is the internet - there is a [x] button.

lily joliat · 08-07-2008, 02:54 PM

Ok, sorry. Shouldn't have generalized and said vegans. Should have said Hells Angels vs Rampant Out of Control Animal Rights Activists.
Who knows, maybe the vegans would win. Not having fat clogged arteries might give them the upper hand?
And, no not threatened by any values.

Jessyanne · 08-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Exactly

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 02:56 PM

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So suffering is different depending the size of the animal? Or the intelligence?

There's a pretty interesting philosophical discussion to be had around this.

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