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CrossingStyx · 08-07-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trout Recreant

Finally - back on topic: Mereille. I agree that it was a poor statement to make, and I would have known better, too. Although I'm not in the public eye. I still think that even though he should have known better, this was just a gaffe, and you can expect both he and Obama to make those. I can cut both of them a little slack. They are on 24/7. The poor guys can't even take a leak in peace. They are going to say a few stupid things. It's the substantive things they say that we should be critical of. Their policies (or lack of policies) opinions on major issues, etc., not the little foul ups like Sioux City vs Sioux Falls or Ms. Buffalo Chip or whatever. That's just my opinion, though. I understand your point completely and respect it.

There are times I wish I could press agree more than once.

Markubis · 08-07-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trout Recreant

Hitting a curb at 25 mph can easily be fatal, and when you're in the left lane going 25, even if oncoming traffic is going 25 also, a head on collision is like hitting a concrete wall at 50mph.

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actually, its quite worse. You are assuming that both vehicles weigh the same in your example.

Because the car weighs much more, the scooter is going to decelerate and then accelerate backwards at a high rate of speed....the car basically not even being affected by the collision.That rapid change in direction is extremely destructive.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trout Recreant

There's also an issue with the rake and trail angles in the steering of scooters. I'm not an engineer, but basically, the rake of the front forks in scooters is much steeper than in most motorcycles, which contributes to wobbly steering at higher speeds. Motorcycles get more stable the faster they go (up to a point, obviously).

Yeah, my scooter mad housemate who was also a mechanical engineer broke it down for me somewhere along those lines. It was compounded with these guys because they heavily modded their Lambrettas and Vespas to go hella fast for a scooter, as well as all sorts of crazy chopper type setups. Fun though.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Markubis

I've known and worked with a few bikers over the years and they were some of the nicest people I have ever known.

That's what I wanted to ask. Do you guys over there distinguish between bikers and bikies?

Markubis · 08-07-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fade Languish

That's what I wanted to ask. Do you guys over there distinguish between bikers and bikies?

I gotta head on home now, but I have to ask you what a "bikie" is.

(I'll check in later)

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Markubis

I gotta head on home now, but I have to ask you what a "bikie" is.

(I'll check in later)

Well, not sure how much the general public here makes the distinction, because you kind of have to be moving in certain circles to be fully aware of what's going on. Bikers are people who like riding bikes, inluding clubs who just like riding bikes, so, just regular people.

Bikies however, are pretty much criminal organisations who like riding bikes. In my city, they run things, drugs, loansharking, club security (which is how I know a lot of them) etc. There's about 5 major gangs, and they're pretty fucking hardcore, and pretty violent between themselves. From time to time it spills out into the clubs, guns and stuff start going off. The last club I worked at, a rival gang to our security came in one night and destroyed the place, put two staff in hospital, and the subsequent publicity killed the club forever (and we were the hottest club in town at the time).

I did however spend three years at art school with a member of one of these gangs, and he was as gentle as a lamb there, we were pretty good friends. But some of the guys I've met, scary, scary motherfuckers. I've rubbed shoulders with at least two infamous murderers.

Cindy Claveau · 08-07-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fade Languish

Well, not sure how much the general public here makes the distinction, because you kind of have to be moving in certain circles to be fully aware of what's going on. Bikers are people who like riding bikes, inluding clubs who just like riding bikes, so, just regular people.

Bikies however, are pretty much criminal organisations who like riding bikes. In my city, they run things, drugs, loansharking, club security (which is how I know a lot of them) etc. There's about 5 major gangs, and they're pretty fucking hardcore, and pretty violent between themselves. From time to time it spills out into the clubs, guns and stuff start going off.

Ah, I got it now.

In America, this would be a 'biker', except we just call them "people who like to ride bikes for pleasure":

Then we have the Hells Angels, the Outlaws, and other gangs:

Here's the challenge: Walk up to a Hell's Angel and call him a "bikie".

He's waiting!

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Here's the challenge: Walk up to a Hell's Angel and call him a "bikie".[/IMG]

I have a pretty good story I'd share, but probably not here.

Markubis · 08-07-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fade Languish

Well, not sure how much the general public here makes the distinction, because you kind of have to be moving in certain circles to be fully aware of what's going on. Bikers are people who like riding bikes, inluding clubs who just like riding bikes, so, just regular people.

Bikies however, are pretty much criminal organisations who like riding bikes. In my city, they run things, drugs, loansharking, club security (which is how I know a lot of them) etc. There's about 5 major gangs, and they're pretty fucking hardcore, and pretty violent between themselves. From time to time it spills out into the clubs, guns and stuff start going off. The last club I worked at, a rival gang to our security came in one night and destroyed the place, put two staff in hospital, and the subsequent publicity killed the club forever (and we were the hottest club in town at the time).

I did however spend three years at art school with a member of one of these gangs, and he was as gentle as a lamb there, we were pretty good friends. But some of the guys I've met, scary, scary motherfuckers. I've rubbed shoulders with at least two infamous murderers.

Pretty much as Cindy said. In my area, ther are the "bikers" who are in clubs or ones that just like to ride.

Then there are the biker gangs like the Hells Angels and such who are generally just into trouble and mischief.

So I guess I would say the two groups are "Bikers" and "Biker gangs"

Trout Recreant · 08-07-2008, 03:19 PM

Yep - we distinguish between bikers and outlaw bikers, but they are all bikers. There's just a hell of a HUGE difference between bikers like me and a Hell's Angels biker.

Those guys are frackin' terrifying! I'd rather piss of some inner city street gang. At least they'll kill me quickly.

Fade Languish · 08-07-2008, 03:22 PM

HA's ran our club security.

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Trout Recreant Oncorhynchus mykiss Caution - makes wide turns Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 5,853 My Mood: Blog Entries: 3 Awards: 1	Yep - we distinguish between bikers and outlaw bikers, but they are all bikers. There's just a hell of a HUGE difference between bikers like me and a Hell's Angels biker. Those guys are frackin' terrifying! I'd rather piss of some inner city street gang. At least they'll kill me quickly.

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