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Old 07-24-2018, 11:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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He has no clue that in trade negotiations there can't be a winner and a loser. Both sides must be satisfied and feel like the trade is mutually beneficial. That's why it's called "trade". He thinks that it's a zero-sum game and hence his obsession with winning. This may have worked for him in the real estate world but it doesn't apply to international trade. Not even in the least.

He's mistaking economic subjugation for trade.
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That there is the end point of America First brand of nationalism. Trump's just surfing that wave. Once you guys ditch Trump you'll still have the nationalism.


Make America Geopolitically Assinine.
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We're gonna make these bailouts "voucher only" and drug test the recipients. Right?
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We would be MORE than happy to send him to some other country. ANY other country. Want him?
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On Tuesday, the US administration was forced to promise a $12bn aid plan to subsidise farmers who have been hit by retaliatory tariffs imposed China and the EU.

Republican senator Ron Johnson voiced the views of free traders in Trump’s party, saying: “This is becoming more and more like a Soviet-type of economy here: commissars deciding who’s going to be granted waivers, commissars in the administration figuring out how they’re going to sprinkle around benefits. I’m very exasperated. This is serious.”
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We would be MORE than happy to send him to some other country. ANY other country. Want him?

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He has no clue that in trade negotiations there can't be a winner and a loser. Both sides must be satisfied and feel like the trade is mutually beneficial. That's why it's called "trade". He thinks that it's a zero-sum game and hence his obsession with winning. This may have worked for him in the real estate world but it doesn't apply to international trade. Not even in the least.

He's mistaking economic subjugation for trade.
Here's another part of it.

He is trying to run the US like a corporation. Putting aside his obvious failings at this in the past, the government is explicitly not a corporation. Its not intended to run "at a profit" or for the "benefit of stockholders". It exists to fill gaps and handle things that are not profitable (the biggest example being maintaining roads), or can't be profitable without causing harm (like Medicare/Medicaid).
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We would be MORE than happy to send him to some other country. ANY other country. Want him?

Hey, we even have a nice international court in The Hague ..... o wait, the US will not have US citizens to go on trail there.

So sorry, no thanks,
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Here's another part of it.

He is trying to run the US like a corporation. Putting aside his obvious failings at this in the past, the government is explicitly not a corporation. Its not intended to run "at a profit" or for the "benefit of stockholders". It exists to fill gaps and handle things that are not profitable (the biggest example being maintaining roads), or can't be profitable without causing harm (like Medicare/Medicaid).
It's not even that. Corporations don't normally bother about spending more with particular suppliers than the suppliers spend with them. A retailer doesn't worry that it spends more buying stuff from a wholesaler than the wholesaler spends buying stuff from the retailer; it's concerned about how much it makes reselling the the products it buys from the wholesaler. A property developer doesn't worry about how much he pays his contractors (assuming he's a legitimate developer who pays his bills in full and on time, that is) while they don't pay him anything. He's interested in how much he can sell the property for after the contractors have finished the project he's given them.
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Well, maybe, a dumb vindictive corporate boss. But the part about profit above anything else and viewing government like a business, yes. Especially those that surround him. That's pretty much how many in the right view it, though, no?
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Hey, we even have a nice international court in The Hague ..... o wait, the US will not have US citizens to go on trail there.

So sorry, no thanks,
No problem. We'll just rescind his citizenship and deport him to Germany, his country of origin, since, you know, his grandfather immigrated from Germany late 19th century.

Anyone ever mention his mother (Mary Ann MacLeod) was kicked out of the Clan MacLeod before she immigrated to the US? No? Well, now you know.
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It's not even that. Corporations don't normally bother about spending more with particular suppliers than the suppliers spend with them. A retailer doesn't worry that it spends more buying stuff from a wholesaler than the wholesaler spends buying stuff from the retailer; it's concerned about how much it makes reselling the the products it buys from the wholesaler. A property developer doesn't worry about how much he pays his contractors (assuming he's a legitimate developer who pays his bills in full and on time, that is) while they don't pay him anything. He's interested in how much he can sell the property for after the contractors have finished the project he's given them.
Bingo. Give the lady a prize.

He sees the US as his property and is proceeding to sell it to Russia/Putin.

How can people not see what is as plain as the noses on their faces is beyond bizarre.
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Well, maybe, a dumb vindictive corporate boss. But the part about profit above anything else and viewing government like a business, yes. Especially those that surround him. That's pretty much how many in the right view it, though, no?
Many on the right know how economics works. The ones with the MAGA hats and the fuck your feelings shirts are something other than a 'conservative' and don't know how economics works.
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Many on the right know how economics works. The ones with the MAGA hats and the fuck your feelings shirts are something other than a 'conservative' and don't know how economics works.

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No problem. We'll just rescind his citizenship and deport him to Germany, his country of origin, since, you know, his grandfather immigrated from Germany late 19th century.

Anyone ever mention his mother (Mary Ann MacLeod) was kicked out of the Clan MacLeod before she immigrated to the US? No? Well, now you know.
Good luck with that, why do you think we want that orangie-thingie back ???

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Bloody typical humanity... Got something you want rid of? Pollute somewhere else with it. Sorry, America. You get to clean up your own "Oval Superfund Site"
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But still, Mars is a great idea too.
And if you promise him traveling with the biggest rocket ever, he will even like it.
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Here's another part of it.

He is trying to run the US like a corporation. Putting aside his obvious failings at this in the past, the government is explicitly not a corporation. Its not intended to run "at a profit" or for the "benefit of stockholders". It exists to fill gaps and handle things that are not profitable (the biggest example being maintaining roads), or can't be profitable without causing harm (like Medicare/Medicaid).
Exactly, the two obvious ones being 'how do US banks not lend you money' and 'how do you manage to run TWO casinos into the ground'. That is just getting the list started.

A government, or at least one that is not a kleptocracy, does not run like a corp. There is nobody to take money from and to pay within its borders. Well, there is in the form of taxes and benefits but not in the way he thinks. There will ALWAYS be states that pay more and states that take more. That is how it has always worked, all of them are in it together. CA pays more right now but if the big one hits they would rightfully expect other states to help out via the federal government.

If he was following what he wanted he would start with evening the scales and giving the feds a percentage for operating expenses. Only, guess what? A lot of the states that are 'takers' voted for him. So he can not do it by internal policy he has to do it with foreign policy, a field he has less than 0 experience in.
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But still, Mars is a great idea too.
And if you promise him traveling with the biggest rocket ever, he will even like it.
Nasa would disagree with you that sending him there was a good idea. Besides, if mars is currently lifeless all future life would come from donnie.

He is hep about us going to the moon it seems. We have also ruled out life there last I knew. Hmm ....
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And imagine him discovered by aliens in billions of years, who reanimate him, and hence he becomes representative of all of humanity and it's achievements. And he gets to tell his version of everything. I'd rather all of earthy life to cease to exist in any form.

Let's just leave the golden record out there. They already got Hitler on it, and that's bad enough.
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And imagine him discovered by aliens in billions of years, who reanimate him, and hence he becomes representative of all of humanity and it's achievements. And he gets to tell his version of everything. I'd rather all of earthy life to cease to exist in any form.

Let's just leave the golden record out there. They already got Hitler on it, and that's bad enough.
He is not on the voyager golden record ('sounds of earth'), you are probably thinking of the broadcast referred to in 'Contact'.

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