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Old 05-01-2018, 12:34 PM   #51 (permalink)
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WTF is up with Twitter when they allow complete and utter garbage like that to thrive?
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WTF is up with Twitter ...?
I think that's the real question. My answer is that everything about Twitter is complete crap. It's like a twitterer's IQ drops by 50% the moment they feel a tweet coming on. Then they tweet it anyway. Nothing of value has ever been tweeted.
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Old 05-01-2018, 02:10 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Yes, but when you link them all together, it becomes easier to ignore the non-racist men, even civil rights activists, who still treat women as if we are -things-, -prizes-, that they are entitled to.

Because misogyny isn't just a white male thing, or a male thing, or a white thing. There might be overlap, but its a much, much wider issue, because its so inherent in our culture.
Yes, there is a bigger problem. And it's been around for a long time. I think this admonition against incels is like 1500 years old:

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But the community that we're talking about here, the one that's elevating this vile behavior into some kind of ideal, does not welcome civil rights leaders (or other people that would stand out at a Klan meeting) into their brotherhood.
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Op-ed in yesterday's New York Times by Simon Cottee, a British criminologist who studies terrorism: Sex and Shame: What Incels and Jihadists Have in Common
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They genuinely believe that having a lot of sex gives women large labias?

So I mean, logically, does that mean these guys who have no sex with anyone at all must have small penises?
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Old 05-01-2018, 05:58 PM   #56 (permalink)
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They genuinely believe that having a lot of sex gives women large labias?

So I mean, logically, does that mean these guys who have no sex with anyone at all must have small penises?
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They genuinely believe that having a lot of sex gives women large labias?

So I mean, logically, does that mean these guys who have no sex with anyone at all must have small penises?
Or large hands? Or one large hand.
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WTF is up with Twitter when they allow complete and utter garbage like that to thrive?
I could say the same about this message board.
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They genuinely believe that having a lot of sex gives women large labias?

So I mean, logically, does that mean these guys who have no sex with anyone at all must have small penises?
I mean, the logic is that its been stretched out by so many penises. So by their logic, men who have lots of sex would have small penises, because they constantly are being crushed by vaginas.

Or something.

I need to learn how to make that shrug emoji thing I see on Reddit all the time.
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I could say the same about this message board.
Right. Because you would see something like this here:

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Or large hands? Or one large hand.
So if large hands are the result of masturbation that would mean that Trump is NOT a wanker?

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Old 05-03-2018, 02:05 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Not entirely unrelated - have a read of The Rainbow Cadenza which, despite it's female author's viewpoint, could well be an incel's wet-dream from 1983.
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Right. Because you would see something like this here:

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No, just people calling MRAs terrorists.
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Who would think that an MRA performing a terrorist attack would lead to people calling MRAs terrorists.

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No but seriously did something you don't like crawl up your ass?
Im guessing its women talking about dudes who want to kill them in unflaterring ways that annoys him, How dare they?
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No, just people calling MRAs terrorists.
I don't think anyone is calling either MRAs or Incels terrorists. People are pointing out, though, that some Incels, certainly, publish lurid revenge fantasies against women on particular message boards, as an expression of their rage and frustration, and some go as far as acting them out, which is what seems to have happened here.

The fact that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims both deplore terrorism doesn't alter the fact that there are certainly message boards online catering for groups of both Christians and Muslims who, unlike most of their coreligionists, applaud Christianist and Islamist jihadis, and some of whom actually go and emulate them as a result of self-radicalisation.

For what it's worth, I don't think MRAs and Incels are the same, though there's presumably some overlap. Rather, they're both subsets of the larger group, "self-deluding misogynistic losers."
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This writer for the Village Voice makes a case for the incel loser set:

The Harpy: Someone Please Tell the Times That Incels Are Terrorists

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I'm not sure if there yet is a handy term for a 'social media provoked killer'.

The Toronto killer was radicalized by a mob and a mythical heroic figure of that Rodger fellow... Which is a lot alike an ISIS recruiting propaganda site now that I've rewritten this sentence five times and have thought about it.

It's the use of the term 'propaganda' that has me scratching my head and reaching for a better term.
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I'm not sure if there yet is a handy term for a 'social media provoked killer'.
I think "self-radicalised lone actor" is a term frequently used both by British academics and law enforcement.
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I think "self-radicalised lone actor" is a term frequently used both by British academics and law enforcement.
That's a great fit if the individual is passively reading the literature and postings of the incel communities. Probably not pithy enough for a headline, though.

A few questions for eggheads with bigger brains than mine to ponder:

Does calling for violent acts in an internet forum constitute 'incitement'. If so, by whom? The forum administrator? The specific posters? Any poster who hits an Agree button of some sort?

Are active participants less likely to violently act than passive observers?
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