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Old 03-19-2018, 05:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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If we're wondering why Facebook suddenly decided to visit CA's office, it may have something to do with this announcement, from a couple of hours prior:

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Old 03-19-2018, 05:58 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm seeing claims on Reddit that Facebook employees are at the CA offices now, having been let in by CA. I'm sure they're just popping round for a nice cup of tea.
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In statement Facebook said: “We have hired a digital forensics firm, Stroz Friedberg, to conduct a comprehensive audit of Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica has agreed to comply and afford the firm complete access to their servers and systems. We remain committed to vigorously enforcing our policies to protect people’s information.”
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I'm kinda surprised the whole thing has taken this long. Though I am also just as surprised that something is 'apparently' being done.
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This is why I only have a token presence on Facebook. I knew something like this would happen.

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I have a straw Facebook account that is mostly just to let me watch Facebook videos or see posts if someone links to them. It doesn't have my real name attached. I don't communicate with other people using it.

FWIW, even with a fake name, it still somehow recommends people I have a RL connection with as potential friends.
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I have a straw Facebook account that is mostly just to let me watch Facebook videos or see posts if someone links to them. It doesn't have my real name attached. I don't communicate with other people using it.

FWIW, even with a fake name, it still somehow recommends people I have a RL connection with as potential friends.
I started an SL Facebook account, in a private tab with my seperate email.

The top recomended friend was my RL FB account.

So I deleted it.
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I started an SL Facebook account, in a private tab with my seperate email.

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...that's creepy.
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They may lose many N.American and European customers, i.e. many people will simply stop or change the way they have been using FB, but I many around the world will keep on using it because it's what they're used to.

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Technology-wise facebook does not have anything unique. People can and will write better social networks. Yes, they have brand recognition and links all over and content but all of that is solely due to one thing: so many people that use the internet have accounts there. If a large group of people started signing up for something else it would snowball with more and more people leaving each day until FB was forced to all but shut down.
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I think, at least in Europe (which still includes the UK) they may find themselves subject to a much tighter regulatory regime -- there is talk about requiring them to default users' privacy settings to maximum privacy, for example, and then let users choose what to reveal about themselves and to whom.
You probably also want finer controls too. For example, you may want information be able to be seen by some family members but not others .... but other information to be known by yet another subgroup. Or allow close friends to look you up with your phone number but nobody beyond that.
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Technology-wise facebook does not have anything unique. People can and will write better social networks. Yes, they have brand recognition and links all over and content but all of that is solely due to one thing: so many people that use the internet have accounts there. If a large group of people started signing up for something else it would snowball with more and more people leaving each day until FB was forced to all but shut down.
facebook's superior head count is no small thing. If there is one thing I learned from exploring dating sites, it's that having a critical mass of users is more important than the quality of the platform. An infinitely superior social network has no hope of competing with facebook without some really big investments into marketing.

Google Plus failed miserably at taking down facebook even with vast resources and technology. I'm not sure that enough people are mad at facebook to take it down.
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I started an SL Facebook account, in a private tab with my seperate email.

The top recomended friend was my RL FB account.

So I deleted it.
Twitter does that. It recommends my alts to follow my main account. It also recommends my main account to follow donnie.
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facebook's superior head count is no small thing. If there is one thing I learned from exploring dating sites, it's that having a critical mass of users is more important than the quality of the platform. An infinitely superior social network has no hope of competing with facebook without some really big investments into marketing.

Google Plus failed miserably at taking down facebook even with vast resources and technology. I'm not sure that enough people are mad at facebook to take it down.
Exactly, which is why something that might start that ball rolling has to be something for them to pay attention to.
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I have a FB account [technically 4? I used to play a lot of FB games - fourth account is simply to have one without any game stuff on it, and only people I know.

I use it to comment on posts that appeal to me, and to follow people who are friends that I don't get to see often.
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Facebook suspends CA whistleblower's account

WhatsApp and Instagram accounts gone too. Vindictive.
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Hearing Nix from CA talking about how they would videotape the person to use it againts them (kompromat) while being filmed by Channel 4 was priceless...

I hope this is the beginning of the end of FB.
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FWIW, even with a fake name, it still somehow recommends people I have a RL connection with as potential friends.
That's because of all the Faceborg cookies and links on all the other pages on the web. They can track your activity and build a profile, then guess who you are connected with. You may as well get the tee-shirt

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You probably also want finer controls too. For example, you may want information be able to be seen by some family members but not others .... but other information to be known by yet another subgroup. Or allow close friends to look you up with your phone number but nobody beyond that.
Google+ sort of has this feature with "Circles". You can have different settings for Friends, Family, Aquaintances, Assholes (I created that circle for a special few people). It's not very robust in terms of the settings available, but ideally you would set up each circle with the settings you want, then assign people to them, and they inherit the settings. That would be better than a mass group of "friends" with no fine-grained controls.
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Gee, I wonder of Cambridge Analytica turns out to be the "collusion" thread that Trump keeps saying wasn't there? First, Bannon was so involved with CA, he gave it their name. Next, they targeted ads and posts using Facebook data. If someone can show the Russian troll farm got their marching orders using that data, there there's your link. At the least they are a British company that influenced US elections, which in most cases is illegal.
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...that's creepy.
It's actually probably the simplest form of tracking: Same private ISP IP.

If Ramen used her RL FB account from that IP at the same day (or last few days in case of a known static-IP range), and then uses the SL FB in a private/incognito tab, the IP doesn't change as that is nothing a private tab can help with.

Then FB just goes 'Oh, different account from the same household. Probably a family member, let's suggest other household members first.'
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It's actually probably the simplest form of tracking: Same private ISP IP.

If Ramen used her RL FB account from that IP at the same day (or last few days in case of a known static-IP range), and then uses the SL FB in a private/incognito tab, the IP doesn't change as that is nothing a private tab can help with.

Then FB just goes 'Oh, different account from the same household. Probably a family member, let's suggest other household members first.'
Except there are 5 people in my house who all use Facebook (not counting accounts I have and don't use for a couple of cats, when FB games were a thing).

I guess it was probably some level of luck of the draw to get myself on top.
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facebook's superior head count is no small thing. If there is one thing I learned from exploring dating sites, it's that having a critical mass of users is more important than the quality of the platform. An infinitely superior social network has no hope of competing with facebook without some really big investments into marketing.

Google Plus failed miserably at taking down facebook even with vast resources and technology. I'm not sure that enough people are mad at facebook to take it down.
It would be nice if there were something to replace FB with before it crashes! There are millions of people and small business who rely on it for communications. They would be seriously hurt by an abrupt shutdown with no alternative in place to reach customers and other users.
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