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Old 01-24-2018, 12:47 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Accordingly, every month, she phones up the insurers, asks to speak to a manager in the billing department and go over the claims, asking what's wrong with each one. And each month, without fail, she's told, of each claim, "Nope, nothing wrong with that. Sorry. Must have have been a mistake at our end -- sorry about that. We'll get you paid right away".

And this keeps on happening, month after month, to about the same percentage of claims, per month, per company.

The only explanation we can think of is that the insurers hope service providers like her will eventually get tired of having to waste a day or so each month chasing up wrongly-declined bills and stop taking insurance work altogether.
An annoying yearly task is that I have to call my insurance company every year to tell them that nobody in my family has secondary insurance coverage. If I do not the first bill they get (and any thereafter until I call them) will be declined because they want the other company to pay it first.

You would think a situation like having multiple insurance policies is so unusual (or at least I hope so!) that they would need to be told when it DOES happen. Not being told every year the opposite.

I can see having two policies if you are still employed after 65 (so medicaid plus whatever private insurance you have). Even so, you would think some program there would take my birthday (which they have) and say if I am getting medicaid or not now.
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That's seems entirely too obvious.

The libertarians who've tried to 'recruit me' all seem to have one massive gaping blind spot in their passion for their liberating merit=based free market anything goes utopia.

They seem to have no ability to conceive that absent a democratically elected government, local tyrants will simply appoint themselves as the new government, with less democratically decided rules. Starting with "What's yours is mine, or we'll kill you".

Libs seem to believe that those who resort to harmful/disrespectful actions will be =individuals= that their free market/honor system/neighborhood watch can dispatch easily enough.

It's laughable.
Like I pointed out in the other thread, they completely ignore the horrors that unchecked capitalism wrought during the industrial revolution.
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So why is this something you'd want to peg the value of currency to? Why not, say, the "North Sea Crude standard"?
They're not talking about pegging the value of the currency to the value of gold. They're talking about carrying around actual pieces of gold.

I guess you could use barrels of oil but it gets unwieldy.
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An annoying yearly task is that I have to call my insurance company every year to tell them that nobody in my family has secondary insurance coverage. If I do not the first bill they get (and any thereafter until I call them) will be declined because they want the other company to pay it first.

You would think a situation like having multiple insurance policies is so unusual (or at least I hope so!) that they would need to be told when it DOES happen. Not being told every year the opposite.

I can see having two policies if you are still employed after 65 (so medicaid plus whatever private insurance you have). Even so, you would think some program there would take my birthday (which they have) and say if I am getting medicaid or not now.
I'm not familiar with US insurance policies but could it be that both partners in a marriage might enjoy cover under the insurance cover offered by the other's employer? Presumably, too, US military veterans and their spouses might well benefit from both the veteran's medical cover and from separate cover through their current jobs.
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They're not talking about pegging the value of the currency to the value of gold. They're talking about carrying around actual pieces of gold.

I guess you could use barrels of oil but it gets unwieldy.
Well still, with the short term market volatility of gold, how would anyone know what those nuggets (coins, whatever) are worth when initiating a transaction with them? I suppose there could be a trans-governmental agency to fix a price on gold but then, you know, coercion
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Well still, with the short term market volatility of gold, how would anyone know what those nuggets (coins, whatever) are worth when initiating a transaction with them?
They're worth a gram/half gram/whatever of gold! Or maybe silver or copper, for smaller denominations, I guess. That's what defines what they're worth. It's the market volatility of literally everything else you're talking about.

I mean that's basically how money worked until banknotes were invented, bar seigniorage. Which is coercion so everyone gets to mint their own coinage and every store has a magic spectroscopic assay device.

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They're not talking about pegging the value of the currency to the value of gold. They're talking about carrying around actual pieces of gold.

I guess you could use barrels of oil but it gets unwieldy.
Gold is considerably denser than lead, of course (weighing 19.3 g/cc vs 11.4 g/cc for lead), though I suppose this simply means you need smaller pieces of gold than you would of lead.

Or you employ a minion both to carry and guard the gold, and hope he doesn't take it into his head to ignore your property rights, belt you over the head with the bag of gold (which would make an excellent cosh) and make off with it for himself.

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We used to (8 or 9 years ago) have a lot more libertarian types around here. I once observed that libertarians are basically Republicans with sex lives. That did not go over well with several posters - including some pretty active ones.
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Unfortunately. I think it was a kick they were on for a few decades.

For example, I love Heinlein's writing in general. Although our political POVs are about as far apart as you can get.
His writing tended to wander all over politically

Interesting read: https://newrepublic.com/article/1180...hy-hagiography
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Big-L-Libertarians are more Republicans who are willing to admit they have sex lives. Or smoke pot.

The religious Republicans often have very colorful sex lives too.
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I wonder what Libertarian sci-fi fans make of the late Ursula le Guin's The Dispossessed.
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Snap off 1-Gram Gold Wafers- Could This Be the Future of Currency?
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I'm not familiar with US insurance policies but could it be that both partners in a marriage might enjoy cover under the insurance cover offered by the other's employer? Presumably, too, US military veterans and their spouses might well benefit from both the veteran's medical cover and from separate cover through their current jobs.
Not really. You COULD both buy it through your family and cover each with it but I have never heard of anyone doing it. Usually it makes much more sense for one to get family coverage and the other to get a bigger paycheck.

It is not that usual to have more than one insurance policy because you would need to pay for them both. The only way I could see it happening is if one of the policies is medicare or medicaid.
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And how are you going to get your cows back when they've wandered into the next parish, Reivers perhaps ?
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At the appropriate time as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

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And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.
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Forget the net, how will they create the $$ they plan to use? Not do the labor to get it but creating (and possibly manufacturing) the actual unit of currency.
Bitcoins! Or, as they do in Russia, the vodka standard
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Insurance companies!

Insurance companies! Geeze, how many times do I have to say it?

Insurance companies arbitrate disputes, too. Can't you see?
Given that our government runs social and health insurance systems, provides disaster relief, etc. it seems to me libertarian insurance companies are nearly indistinguishable from governments.
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Can someone more in tune with the tenets of libertarianism explain the "gold standard" to me. All I know is that there is nothing special about gold as a commodity, the value of gold fluctuates as per the market's whims, no different from Kansas Winter Wheat, Lean Hogs or Sugar #11. So why is this something you'd want to peg the value of currency to? Why not, say, the "North Sea Crude standard"?
That's really orthogonal to libertarianism, and more about how money arises as a medium of exchange.

Without money, you are reduced to barter for trade: "I'll trade you this fish I caught for that loaf of bread". But barter requires a "coincidence of wants". I want what you have, and you want what I have, at the same time. Since both fish and bread are perishable, timing is important in making a trade happen.

Money serves as a generally acceptable intermediate good in trade. It relieves people who want to trade from having to find matching wants with other people at the same time. The fisherman can trade his fish now, when they are freshly caught, and the next day trade for bread that is freshly baked.

Anything can serve as money if it is generally acceptable to the trading community, and many things have. Cattle, shells, beads, and shiny metals.

Certain properties of gold made it popular as money. It is dense and has a characteristic color, so it is hard to fake. It is fairly inert, and therefore lasts a long time. It is easily made into pretty objects, and rare, making it desirable besides as a lump of metal to be used in trade. etc.

A gold standard merely sets gold as the unit of measure for trade, against which other items are valued. Thus a gold coin of a certain weight and purity is a "mark" or "bezant", or whatever. The US dollar was originally specified as a coin of 0.78 oz and a certain purity of silver. The particular numbers were chosen to match the Spanish silver dollar that was already in circulation because Spain was extracting silver from the Americas.

So long as everyone agrees what the standard measure of value is, they can then price everything else in terms of that standard. That makes life simpler than having to remember the conversion rates between fish, bread, chickens, cows, and everything else.

Paper money got started as a convenient way to avoid carrying physical gold and silver around. The coins stayed in a bank's vault, and you could trade the paper instead. Then the bank shenanigans started, and now our dollars are not backed by precious coins or bars, but by debt. This makes the banks happy, because they earn interest on that debt, but your paper money and checking accounts don't. The difference in interest represents their profits. So some people want to return to "sound money" backed by coins and bars again, and screw the bankers. Those same people also want to buy cars and houses with small down payments, and forget the necessity for banks to make that possible.
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