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Old 03-08-2018, 04:49 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Wow, the sheer coincidences here just keep piling up!

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The data's more than just that, but still enough to make a forensic accountant rub chin and start drilling down the numbers a bit deeper.
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Just so I am straight here, I want to clarify something...

We don't "legally know" Trump slept with this porn star. But with all this mess about NDAs and Contracts, we basically know.

Right?
Trump had an affair with Marla Maples, while still married to his first wife, Ivana. Marla later become his second wife. So based on his past history, how likely is it he cheated on his third wife, Melania?
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I admit, this contract fascinates me - specifically, how it came to be that Trump's signature is absent. Did Cohen genuinely, in good faith, believe that it wasn't necessary? If so, why is there a space on the page for his signature?

More likely, is this Trump trying to pull the legal equivalent of "Neener, neener! Had my fingers crossed!" and attempting to ensure he wasn't legally bound through the cunning move of not actually signing?
Which is why he never had to pay his lawyer back for paying the porn star off?
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Trump had an affair with Marla Maples, while still married to his first wife, Ivana. Marla later become his second wife. So based on his past history, how likely is it he cheated on his third wife, Melania?
Thats ok, I thought Melania was number 2. But then I really don't care to learn much aboit The Asshole.
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Trump had an affair with Marla Maples, while still married to his first wife, Ivana. Marla later become his second wife. So based on his past history, how likely is it he cheated on his third wife, Melania?
I'd say probably just as likely that she knows about it.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:19 AM   #82 (permalink)
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GAWD that was sexy brilliant Innula. Thank you! And if you are right (which I can't see, under a halfway sane legal system, how you couldn't be) Trumptoast is served!

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So nice to know that we have a President of such high moral character that he frequently uses aliases for his nefarious activities.

That bar is dropping lower and faster than a limbo contest. How low can we go?
You mean you do not use aliases regularly?
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Woman named in Stormy Daniels' ‘hush agreement’ is another porn star accusing Trump of sexual assault - NY Daily News

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A mystery woman named in Stormy Daniels' non-disclosure agreement is a fellow porn star who publically accused Donald Trump of sexual assault during the campaign, her attorney said Thursday.

Jessica Drake, who accused Trump of forcibly touching and kissing her over a decade ago, is referred to as "Angel Ryan" in a hush agreement that Stormy Daniels signed in exchange for $130,000 from Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen. Drake was listed in the agreement along with three other people who knew of Trump's extramarital affair with Daniels.
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Thats ok, I thought Melania was number 2. But then I really don't care to learn much aboit The Asshole.
No, he had an American in between 1 and 3
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He was dating Melania while still married to Maples. So she can believe that he never cheated on her but she would have to be incredibly naive or delusional.
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Thats ok, I thought Melania was number 2. But then I really don't care to learn much aboit The Asshole.
My point was he's an admitted adulterer from his first marriage, and based on statements from many other women he's either had sex, attempted to, or committed sexual assault many many times. We even have him on tape bragging about "grabbing" women. So Ms. Clifford's (ie Stormy Daniels) allegations are quite believable.
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Can we buy a copy of this for Herr Gropenfuhrer?

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Rolling Stone reporter Denver Nicks hangs out with Stormy Daniels -- interesting read: One Night with Stormy Daniels, the Hero America Needs.
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Buzzfeed report that "Trump Lawyers Are Considering A Challenge To Stop "60 Minutes" From Airing A Stormy Daniels Interview" though they do note that Trump's legal advisers not infrequently issue threats of legal action that never materialises and that it's going to be an uphill struggle to persuade a judge to grant an injunction involving "prior restraint" on CBS to prevent it airing a recording of an interview concerning an agreement to which it's not a party.

Courts permitting, the interview is to be broadcast on, I think, March 18,
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Buzzfeed report that "Trump Lawyers Are Considering A Challenge To Stop "60 Minutes" From Airing A Stormy Daniels Interview" though they do note that Trump's legal advisers not infrequently issue threats of legal action that never materialises and that it's going to be an uphill struggle to persuade a judge to grant an injunction involving "prior restraint" on CBS to prevent it airing a recording of an interview concerning an agreement to which it's not a party.

Courts permitting, the interview is to be broadcast on, I think, March 18,
Yeah, I do not think there is much of a legal argument they can use.
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I really, really hope that Ms Daniels intimates that she's in possession of a dick pic he sent her and that it's nothing to write home about, as it were.

Doesn't matter if it's true or not, but the mere hint would drive him completely round the bend. He'd probably start sending pics of himself to Fox & Friends and to Sean Hannity, demanding they put them on air and swoon over how YUGE it is!
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Two things I haven't seen regarding this whole fiasco:

1. If he's using an alias in this documentation, what of his business dealings? Does he also take pains to hide his identity in illegal and/or suspect activities?

2. Being quite willing to pay off people to keep quiet, what can we surmise about his weakness to be bribed/blackmailed by, say, parties on behalf of nation-states?
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I really, really hope that Ms Daniels intimates that she's in possession of a dick pic he sent her and that it's nothing to write home about, as it were.

Doesn't matter if it's true or not, but the mere hint would drive him completely round the bend. He'd probably start sending pics of himself to Fox & Friends and to Sean Hannity, demanding they put them on air and swoon over how YUGE it is!
"Ladies, those small hands?" (wink)

She would not need to say much. There is nothing legally actionable in the above (in fact it does not even explicitly say it is about a particular person) but it would have donnie off on a twitter rant.
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The "Hush Agreement" does include several clauses in which she agrees to return to DD various items, including (para 2.1)
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It's fun speculating what these "still images" might reveal!

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How do you return digital data? Give him the phone and swear you did not make a copy? It it like people are still living in an analog world, but given how old donnie is maybe we should expect that ...

It might be moot anyway. If he did not sign it then the agreement is most likely not enforceable. In which case, I hope she still has the pics. Not that anyone wants to see him naked, but because we get to watch his orange get redder as he realizes he can not yell his way out of a mess he created.
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How do you return digital data? Give him the phone and swear you did not make a copy? It it like people are still living in an analog world, but given how old donnie is maybe we should expect that ...

It might be moot anyway. If he did not sign it then the agreement is most likely not enforceable. In which case, I hope she still has the pics. Not that anyone wants to see him naked, but because we get to watch his orange get redder as he realizes he can not yell his way out of a mess he created.
In the agreement she also promises to transfer to him all intellectual property rights in the material she returns, not to retain or publish any copies and to pay one million dollars damages for each violation.

Obviously there's nothing to stop her retaining copies of anything but by returning items to him she confirms that she consents to the agreement covering the particular image or text, should that later become an issue.

This way, DD and Essential Consultants (or whatever Cohen's company is called) have a record of all images and texts to which PP has confirmed the agreement applies and the ownership and intellectual property of which she's transferring to DD.
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It might be moot anyway. If he did not sign it then the agreement is most likely not enforceable. In which case, I hope she still has the pics. Not that anyone wants to see him naked, but because we get to watch his orange get redder as he realizes he can not yell his way out of a mess he created.
Can you imagine the 2020 race if those pics come out.

Every ad on TV for 18 months would be stills of those images with voice over phrases like

"Vote Donald Trump, he stands for Christian values".

"Vote Donald Trump, he puts family first."
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Can you imagine the 2020 race if those pics come out.

Every ad on TV for 18 months would be stills of those images with voice over phrases like

"Vote Donald Trump, he stands for Christian values".

"Vote Donald Trump, he puts family first."
I wonder how much effect that would have on people whose vote depends on what they consider "Christian values" would, in fact, be swayed by that kind of advert.

I yesterday read a very interesting article, The Last Temptation, in The Atlantic about evangelicals and Trump (by an evangelical who is dismayed by his co-religionists' response to the man) in which I learned, among other things, that
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Appears to me that a voter who can reconcile support for "Christian values" and support for someone credibly accused of multiple incidents of "grooming" and sexual assault on underage teens will probably also be able to tolerate whatever Trump turns out to have got up to with Stormy Daniels. They knew back in 2016 what kind of man they were voting for.

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White evangelicals seem, according to the Atlantic article, prepared to put up with pretty much anything in the way of deplorable personal misconduct by Trump so long as he panders to their self-image of being a persecuted minority who need a strongman (i.e. Trump) to protect them and gives them what they want in the way of judicial nominations and opposition to abortion.

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White evangelicals seem, according to the Atlantic article, prepared to put up with pretty much anything in the way of deplorable personal misconduct by Trump so long as he panders to their self-image of being a persecuted minority who need a strongman (i.e. Trump) to protect them and gives them what they want in the way of judicial nominations and opposition to abortion.
More importantly, they either are using religion for power, or are blindly following their leaders. And I suspect that they want more to destroy our country and replace with a theocracy, so are fine with the most destructive people in office they can get.
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