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Old 02-15-2018, 05:52 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I wasn't suggesting a correlation between sex work and low intelligence. I drew attention to the CNN article because it is notable that a porn star and her legal team seem to be more clued-up and PR-savvy than the current occupants of the White House. If it was possible for Stormy Daniels to somehow replace Trump with immediate effect I'd probably end up feeling a lot less despondent about the next few years.
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Stormy Daniels pulled a Monica Lewinsky and held on to the dress she wore to an alleged hotel rendezvous with President Donald Trump, and now we are told she’s going to get it tested for DNA to back up her story.

Sources close to Daniels tell The Blast the shimmering gold mini dress with a plunging neckline was kept in pristine condition after her alleged 2006 sexual encounter with Trump at the Lake Tahoe hotel suite.

We’re told Daniels is planning on having the dress forensically tested to search for any DNA that proves she isn’t lying about her tryst with Trump, including samples of skin, hair or … anything.
Stormy Daniels Has a ‘Monica Lewinsky Dress’ from Alleged Donald Trump Affair, Will Test It for DNA

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How is that going to prove anything? Does she have legal access to Trump's DNA with which to compare against any DNA found on her dress? The encounter didn't occur during office, so it is unlikely that there would be a congressional investigation and FBI involvement forcing the Trump to submit for DNA testing comparison. It doesn't seem to imply that there is a 'stain' akin to the famous blue dress stain. DNA from hair or skin would be easily dismiss-able, only DNA from a bodily fluid 'stain' *shudder* would be somewhat proof. Without Trump's DNA for comparison, any stain or DNA found on the dress is just anonymous data. I don't see this providing any useful info, but I guess there is a very slim chance it could.
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How is that going to prove anything? Does she have legal access to Trump's DNA with which to compare against any DNA found on her dress? The encounter didn't occur during office, so it is unlikely that there would be a congressional investigation and FBI involvement forcing the Trump to submit for DNA testing comparison. It doesn't seem to imply that there is a 'stain' akin to the famous blue dress stain. DNA from hair or skin would be easily dismiss-able, only DNA from a bodily fluid 'stain' *shudder* would be somewhat proof. Without Trump's DNA for comparison, any stain or DNA found on the dress is just anonymous data. I don't see this providing any useful info, but I guess there is a very slim chance it could.
You never know. What was the sequence of events that led to Bill Clinton having to provide DNA to match Monica's dress?
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You never know. What was the sequence of events that led to Bill Clinton having to provide DNA to match Monica's dress?
True, you never know. But I am guessing that the fact that the Clinton issue happened while in office, included DNA evidence of his semen on her dress, and the investigation took place within ~3-4 years of the incident are pretty pertinent to the sequence of events.

AFAIK, there is no dispute that Trump is a cheater. Marla is pretty famous for being the mistress that Trump cheated on his first wife with, and eventually became his second wife. He also has something like 19 women currently accusing him of sexual harassment. I honestly don't see any true negative repercussions if Trump were to flat out say, "Yes, I fucked Stormy Daniels in 2006" (and then went on to brag about how she said it was the best sex of her life). I don't even think Melania would leave Trump if he did. Certainly none of Trump's supporters care about his infidelity. He's on his 3rd wife, ffs. Five kids across three wives...

This whole Stormy Daniels thing feels like a useless distraction. Something to keep Trump haters occupied with.
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This whole Stormy Daniels thing feels like a useless distraction. Something to keep Trump haters occupied with.
Nope. It's a distraction to Trump and his goons. There is a whole criminal aspect, violation of campaign finance laws wrapped around this. The more on their plates, the less that can devote to ways of derailing the FBI/Mueller investigations.
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Nope. It's a distraction to Trump and his goons. There is a whole criminal aspect, violation of campaign finance laws wrapped around this. The more on their plates, the less that can devote to ways of derailing the FBI/Mueller investigations.
I hope you are right.
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There you go. I'm not even interested in Stormy Daniels anymore; she sadly gave up her initiative by choosing to waffle. It seems like Karen McDougal is willing to give the straight dish on Trump without equivocating.
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How is that going to prove anything? Does she have legal access to Trump's DNA with which to compare against any DNA found on her dress?
This is a way of saying that if anyone slanders her by calling her a liar or sues her, she can get a comparison sample during discovery.
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Stormy Daniels sues Trump, says ‘hush agreement’ invalid because he never signed

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Adult film star Stormy Daniels sued Donald Trump Tuesday, alleging that he never signed the nondisclosure agreement that his lawyer had arranged with her.

The civil suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court and obtained by NBC News, alleges that her agreement not to disclose her "intimate" relationship with Trump is not valid because while both Daniels and Trump's attorney Michael Cohen signed it, Trump never did.
I spared you the paragraph telling us her real name is "Stephanie Clifford," because apparently every article about her must legally have that paragraph in it.
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I spared you the paragraph telling us her real name is "Stephanie Clifford," because apparently every article about her must legally have that paragraph in it.
The funny part is that Trump's alias on the agreement is "David Dennison". Shades of "John Miller", the phony name he used years ago when he was calling in to talk shows bragging about himself.
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WaPo's take on the news:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...against-trump/

It's a good article, as it examines many of the key assertions in the lawsuit in turn.
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The funny part is that Trump's alias on the agreement is "David Dennison". Shades of "John Miller", the phony name he used years ago when he was calling in to talk shows bragging about himself.
Signing a contract with an alias really defeats the whole purpose of signing it.

And if the roles were reversed and Trump wanted to wiggle out of a contract he signed with an alias, that's exactly the argument he'd make.

Considering the number of lawsuits this man has been in, this probably already happened.

Funny thought: Stormy Daniels can't be the only one, there's an avalanche of stories like this waiting to happen.
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Just saw this tonight and missed that others had already reported about it. I agree about the contract not being signed rendering it invalid since if it is found to be so then what's to stop any lawyer from drawing up papers and having one of the concerned parties sign it without waiting for the other party's agreement?

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Just saw this tonight and missed that others had already reported about it. I agree about the contract not being signed rendering it invalid since if it is found to be so then what's to stop any lawyer from drawing up papers and having one of the concerned parties sign it without waiting for the other party's agreement?
It's a question of California contract law, which I don't think any of us is qualified to answer.

As I understand it, though, Cohen's argument will be that the agreement involves three parties,
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EC, LLC (Essential Consultants, the LLC Cohen set up to facilitate the transaction) and Stephanie Clifford (alias Stormy Daniels, alias Peggy Peterson) signed the document, and Stephanie Clifford received the agreed payment from Essential Consultants. David Dennison, aka Donald Trump, didn't sign it.

So I imagine Cohen will say that the contract says it's between Essential Consultants "and/or" Donald Trump so, whatever the status of the contract between Ms Clifford and Donald Trump, there's certainly a contract between Ms Clifford and Essential Consultants, since both parties signed the document and Essential Consultants paid the agreed fee.

On the other hand, the contract includes clauses in section 4.3 to the effect that
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So, Ms Daniels asks the court to find that without Trump's signature committing him to his part of the agreement, the contract is defective since he's not agreed to his obligations on which the contract says she can rely:
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38. Specifically, Plaintiff seeks an order of this Court declaring that the agreements in the forms set out in Exhibits 1 and 2 between Plaintiff and Defendants were never formed, and therefore do not exist, because, among other things, Mr. Trump never signed the agreements. Nor did Mr. Trump provide any other valid consideration. He thus never assented to the duties, obligations, and conditions the agreements purportedly imposed upon him. Plaintiff contends that, as a result, she is not bound by any of the duties, obligations, or conditions set forth in Exhibits 1 and 2. Moreover, as a further result, there is no agreement to arbitrate between the parties.
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39. In the alternative, Plaintiff seeks an order of this Court declaring that the agreements in the forms set out in Exhibits 1 and 2 are invalid, unenforceable, and/or void under the doctrine of unconscionably. Plaintiff contends that, as a result, she is not bound by any of the duties,
That, I think, means the penalties the contract purports to impose on her for breaching it ($1 million for each breach on her part) are completely disproportionate to the consideration she received ($130,000 in total).

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40. In the further alternative, Plaintiff seeks an order of this Court declaring that the agreements in the forms set out in Exhibits 1 and 2 are invalid, unenforceable, and/or void because they are illegal and/or violate public policy. Plaintiff contends that, as a result, she is not bound by any of the duties, obligations, or conditions set forth in Exhibits 1 and 2. Moreover, as a further result, there is no agreement to arbitrate between the parties.
As I say, it's a question of California contract law, so it's probably safest to wait to see what the court makes of it all. But those are the main arguments, I think.

Text of the documents here.
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So, apparently, as a lawyer, getting people to sign statements they know to be false is unethical! Who knew?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...lse-statement/ notes that Daniels' complaint asserts:

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In January 2018, certain details of the draft Hush Agreement emerged in the news media, including, among other things, the existence of the draft agreement, the parties to the draft agreement, and the $130,000.00 payment provided for under the draft agreement. Also in January 2018, and concerned the truth would be disclosed, Mr. Cohen, through intimidation and coercive tactics, forced Ms. Clifford into signing a false statement wherein she stated that reports of her relationship with Mr. Trump were false.
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Cohen is a licensed attorney in New York State. According to state records, Cohen was admitted to the New York Bar in 1992 after graduating from Thomas M. Cooley Law School. That equates to over 25 years’ worth of legal experience. Cohen’s familiarity with the ethical rules should be thorough at this point in his career.

As noted by attorney Bradley P. Moss, lawyers are not allowed to sign off on statements they know to be false. Much less are they allowed to facilitate such statements by placing a person under duress “through intimidation and coercive tactics,” as Daniels’ alleges.
They then examine the specific grounds governing such conduct.
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I admit, this contract fascinates me - specifically, how it came to be that Trump's signature is absent. Did Cohen genuinely, in good faith, believe that it wasn't necessary? If so, why is there a space on the page for his signature?

More likely, is this Trump trying to pull the legal equivalent of "Neener, neener! Had my fingers crossed!" and attempting to ensure he wasn't legally bound through the cunning move of not actually signing?
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I admit, this contract fascinates me - specifically, how it came to be that Trump's signature is absent.
Don't you mean "David Dennison".... "John Miller"?
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So nice to know that we have a President of such high moral character that he frequently uses aliases for his nefarious activities.

That bar is dropping lower and faster than a limbo contest. How low can we go?
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Just so I am straight here, I want to clarify something...

We don't "legally know" Trump slept with this porn star. But with all this mess about NDAs and Contracts, we basically know.

Right?
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Just so I am straight here, I want to clarify something...

We don't "legally know" Trump slept with this porn star. But with all this mess about NDAs and Contracts, we basically know.

Right?
I don't know. Since I'm not a lawyer*, I personally don't "legally know" anything. But beyond all that legal stuff... oh, yeah, WE KNOW.


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