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Old 01-30-2018, 10:49 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I haven't really been following this because, it's simply just too much and I'd reach my quota, so maybe this isn't news? She seems to be denying all of it now.

https://twitter.com/TomNamako/status/958458685197611013
Honestly, there is no way to know if it is true or not. I am not sure a non disclosure agreement (NDA) can legally require someone to lie about an event and say it never happened; I would think the agreement just limits a person from talking about it, such as by saying they are not at liberty to talk about such events. However, I am not a legal expert, so I don't know if my assumption is true.

Of course, (and unfortunately) the angry orange does have deep pockets. It is possible that he paid the stormy to lie and promises to pay her more if she keeps lying. This would be completely outside of a NDA. The NDA prevents her from talking about it and extra money provides incentive to lie/deny.

It is also possible and plausible that this has all been completely made up and promulgated by tabloids since the 2006 event where they were photographed at the sample place and talking to each other. Could be stormy is just milking the rumors for all the money they are worth.

Edit: It is also probably a safe bet to assume that rich old white guys are a significant source of income for stormy. While it is possible that there are anti-trump people out there willing to pay stormy a whole lot more than $130k to rat out trump, in the long run it wouldn't be profitable for her. She is effectively advertising her rates to rich old white dudes with this ordeal and showing that she won't rat them out.

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Of course, (and unfortunately) those pulling the puppet strings of the angry orange do have deep pockets..
Trump is in hock up to his eyeballs, I really doubt he personally has the liquidity for such a bribe.
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Trump is in hock up to his eyeballs, I really doubt he personally has the liquidity for such a bribe.
A conservative estimate has his worth at over a billion. You don't think he has a few hundred thousand lying around in easily spendable form?
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Trump is in hock up to his eyeballs, I really doubt he personally has the liquidity for such a bribe.
I am sure he isn't as rich as he claims to be and it is very possible that those behind the scenes may be pitching in or flat out covering any hush money, but I don't doubt that he has immediate access to a couple hundred grand at any given moment. Whether or not it is actually his personal money doesn't really matter, just that he can spend it.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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A conservative estimate has his worth at over a billion. You don't think he has a few hundred thousand lying around in easily spendable form?
Nope.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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What is the status of the interview she gave to In-Touch magazine in 2011, but published only a couple of weeks ago?

Is she saying that the interview never took place, or that for some reason she invented her story?

Or does she simply mean that the encounter at Lake Tahoe described in the interview was a one-off, and not an affair?
It means "Stormy Daniels" isn't a real person, that's her stage (porn) name. Any letter signed with that name is just an act, as is her current appearances at strip clubs where she dances with projected images of Trump behind her. She's taking full advantage of the media for the publicity and making as much money as she can, while she can. Between that, and the 130K payoff from Trump, she should be able to provide for her child.

Of course she had sex with Trump, he's had too many affairs to count, including with the woman who ended up his second wife. The man was caught boasting about it on tape. Friends of Ms Clifford (her real name) corroborate her original story, including her then boyfriend who drove her to her first meeting with Trump, which was supposed to be about getting a spot on The Apprentice.
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The plot thickens... Stormy Daniels: Confusion as porn star distances herself from statement denying affair with Donald Trump
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The plot thickens... Stormy Daniels: Confusion as porn star distances herself from statement denying affair with Donald Trump
I haven't watched the Kimmel interview yet, but just going on the summary in the link, I didn't get the feeling that she was denying or distancing herself from the letter. If anything, it just sounded like she was intentionally trying to create confusion and drama. That just leaves us to speculate why she might be doing that. It could be seen as her denying the letter in whatever legal way she can (assuming a NDA). Or it can be seen as her just trying to hold onto the spotlight and the money that it generates.
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So Trump fixer Michael Cohen says he used his own personal funds for the Stormy hush money. No Trump funds, no campaign funds. Sounds legit. And I here thought Ms. Daniels claimed she received no payment? This case is getting weirder and weirder.
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Small but I think vital difference from what you said, jacqueline: Cohen said he used no Trump organization funds, nor any Trump campaign funds. He did not say that he didn't use Trump's personal funds nor those of any family members.
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Small but I think vital difference from what you said, jacqueline: Cohen said he used no Trump organization funds, nor any Trump campaign funds. He did not say that he didn't use Trump's personal funds nor those of any family members.
Maybe he didn't say that. But he did say this.

“In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford."

As to the source of those personal funds? I still maintain Trump would never put his own money on the line, partly because he's a cheap bastard in everything he does, and partly because he doesn't have that kind of liquidity.

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Maybe he didn't say that. But he did say this.

“In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford."

As to the source of those personal funds? I still maintain Trump would never put his own money on the line, partly because he's a cheap bastard in everything he does, and partly because he doesn't have that kind of liquidity.
Presumably, too, it's a way of trying to obfuscate things and avoid needing to report it as a contribution to Trump's campaign expenses.

How that would stand up in a US court I have no idea, though it sounds pretty threadbare to me, but it complicates matters and the golden rule when committing fraud, tax evasion and other kinds of financial crime is to make it as complicated as possible to unscramble.
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I can't help wondering if the New York State investigation of Trump's "charitable" foundation will turn up a payment in that amount...possibly with a corresponding donation.
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Cohen set up a Delaware shell corp, Essential Consultants LLC, for the purpose of hush money payout(s). I'm pretty sure, Delaware finance laws notwithstanding, this LLC would have to respond to subpoenas for records in a criminal investigation.

BTW, I've never understood this story, payoffs, blackmail, etc. Given who Trump is, and a human entity devoid of all semblance of shame, you'd think he'd be proud of the story of him banging a porn star. It would fit right into the fantasies of his base.
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Porn star claims she’s free to talk after Trump lawyer violates non-disclosure deal

https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/porn-s...sclosure-deal/

I'm too stupid to post a named link here. Sorry.

Edit: And spell, apparently. I think I'm just going to take the rest of the day off.

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Somehow I found this passage humorous on many levels:

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The porn star conversant in legalese. Could happen. Performance is something she knows about.

It reminds me of this scene from "My Favorite Year" (a great underrated flick). "Did you say that, Karl? What a guy!"

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You're not the first to notice. There was an article on CNN about the legal awareness she demonstrated on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
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You're not the first to notice. There was an article on CNN about the legal awareness she demonstrated on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
I think she's smart enough to retain a good legal firm. They're probably experts in contracts and Intellectual property.
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Small but I think vital difference from what you said, jacqueline: Cohen said he used no Trump organization funds, nor any Trump campaign funds. He did not say that he didn't use Trump's personal funds nor those of any family members.
He's been Trump's personal lawyer for 10 years. All his income comes from Trump. His salary/retainer could just go up a bit to cover this. Oh, and he set up an LLC just for this payment, so it looks like he had something to hide. It's not like he wrote a persona check.
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I think she's smart enough to retain a good legal firm. They're probably experts in contracts and Intellectual property.
It would be a civil penalty right. Like no jail? I wonder if she could be paid enough for the info either way.
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No reason why porn stars can't be bright. I know one of England's leading spanking models and professional dommes who has a Ph D degree (Biophysics, as I recall) from London University. Similarly, I know another spanking model who runs her own studio and production company, and she's certainly a very intelligent woman.

(Don't ask how I know them, but it's probably not what you're thinking).

As I understand it, Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford similarly runs a production company and studio, and I am sure she has enough sense to take competent legal advice before saying anything about her NDA and her dealings with both Trump and Cohen.
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Cohen set up a Delaware shell corp, Essential Consultants LLC, for the purpose of hush money payout(s). I'm pretty sure, Delaware finance laws notwithstanding, this LLC would have to respond to subpoenas for records in a criminal investigation.
Be interesting to know if this firm has made any other 'payouts'...
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