Rogue One: Feinsten bucks senate panel and releases Fusion GPS Transcript - SLUniverse Forums
Navigation » SLUniverse Forums > Off Topic Discussion > Politics, Religion & Society » Rogue One: Feinsten bucks senate panel and releases Fusion GPS Transcript


Politics, Religion & Society Topics pertaining to politics, religion, philosophy, and social issues. Not for the faint of heart. Also, do not post while drunk, suffering from food poisoning, or while on a low carb diet. You have been warned.

 
Sponsor:
LIONHEART - We Have Your Land
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-09-2018, 05:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
Miss Congeniality
 
Soda Sullivan's Avatar
Dressed up like a car crash
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,516
My Mood:
Client: Black Dragon, FS, SL Viewer
Rogue One: Feinsten bucks senate panel and releases Fusion GPS Transcript

The GOP heads of the Senate Panel investigation Russian collusion would not release the transcript of Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson. The put together the "Steel Dossier". They were however picking and choosing form it to make Fusion GPS look guilty and even referred Steele for criminal investigation.

Feinstein, the top Democrat on the committee (and facing a tough challenge form the left at home.) decided to release the 300-page transcript of the interview on her own... and it is a doozy!

'Human source' in Trump orbit contacted FBI, Fusion GPS co-founder told senators

Quote:
Feinstein's decision to publish the dossier represents an escalation of partisan tensions that have long been simmering on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Simpson had called for the transcript of his appearance to be made public, but Republican leaders so far had not agreed to release it.

"The American people deserve the opportunity to see what he said and judge for themselves,” Feinstein, the top Democrat on the judiciary committee, said in a statement about her decision to release the Simpson transcript. “The innuendo and misinformation circulating about the transcript are part of a deeply troubling effort to undermine the investigation into potential collusion and obstruction of justice. The only way to set the record straight is to make the transcript public," she said.
I think the is going to be the " Fire & Fury" of this week. Among the content is a claim by Fusion GPS is that one person has already been killed over the contents in the report and that that the FBI found the dossier credible because an unnamed "human source" associated with Trump had offered the bureau corroborating information.
(emphasis mine)

It is about 300 pages of what WAS secret testimony and, thanks to Rogue One Feinstein, you can read it here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3687...pson-Testimony
__________________
Hey soda, go fuck yourself. - Lady Darnk Juniorette
Soda Sullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 06:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
OccupyE9 Sluni-Goon
 
Kara Spengler's Avatar
Hail Woz, the great and powerful!
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SL: November RL: DC
Posts: 22,513
SL Join Date: March, 2006
Client: Phoenix & Firestorm
Send a message via Skype™ to Kara Spengler
Oops, missed your thread, will go forth and delete mine.
__________________
"The debug setting for Gender in SL (AvatarSex) is an unsigned 32bit integer value. Not a boolean. I'm still waiting to see what our other options will be. =^-^=" Imnotgoing Sideways

"Ok, I have to ask, WTF is this thread even about and why is it hundreds of posts? I am out of vodka so I don't feel like reading it to find out." Cristiano

"Why? Don't like me ban me" Cathiee
Kara Spengler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 07:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
Just call me Beth
 
Aribeth Zelin's Avatar
Singing along with old music
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Out in the mists
Posts: 9,347
My Mood:
SL Join Date: Oct 4 2009
Business: Moondrops ; Tempus Fugit; Faerycat Designs; sPunk
Client: Firestorm
I thought we already knew someone had died over the Dossier, since if I'm not mistaken, Polonium poisoning was cause of death.

Then again, my spouse got his BSci in Int Affairs with a focus on Soviet Russia.
__________________

Aribeth Zelin is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Users Said Thanks :
Old 01-09-2018, 08:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
Miss Congeniality
 
Soda Sullivan's Avatar
Dressed up like a car crash
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,516
My Mood:
Client: Black Dragon, FS, SL Viewer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aribeth Zelin View Post
I thought we already knew someone had died over the Dossier, since if I'm not mistaken, Polonium poisoning was cause of death.

Then again, my spouse got his BSci in Int Affairs with a focus on Soviet Russia.

I don't think anyone has officially connected the dots, but there is speculation that it was this guy:

Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump

I am just totally impressed with what Feinstein did, and I say that as someone who typically disagrees with her on most things.

Would love to know your hubby's take on all this Aribeth.
Soda Sullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Users Agreed:
Old 01-09-2018, 08:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
Just call me Beth
 
Aribeth Zelin's Avatar
Singing along with old music
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Out in the mists
Posts: 9,347
My Mood:
SL Join Date: Oct 4 2009
Business: Moondrops ; Tempus Fugit; Faerycat Designs; sPunk
Client: Firestorm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soda Sullivan View Post
I don't think anyone has officially connected the dots, but there is speculation that it was this guy:

Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump

I am just totally impressed with what Feinstein did, and I say that as someone who typically disagrees with her on most things.

Would love to know your hubby's take on all this Aribeth.
I'll see if I can get something that's more concise than my usual ramble. We sort of discuss things over a period of time. However, I don't think he has much doubt that Russia is heavily involved - Putin is ex KGB, after all.

And yes, that's the fellow I was thinking about. Think there were a few more deaths that could also be related.
Aribeth Zelin is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Users Said Thanks :
Old 01-09-2018, 08:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
Nasty Brit
 
Innula Zenovka's Avatar
Grande Cabalista
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 18,041
SL Join Date: 17 June 2007
Business: Something Spunky
I'd read about there being an additional FBI informant inside the Trump organisation.

It took me a bit of time to track it down in the testimonly, but here it is, on pages 175 --176, in case anyone else needs the reference:
Quote:
Q. You said that he [ex MI6 Russia specialist Chris Steele] told you of the meeting with the FBI in Rome in mid or late September, that he "gave them a full briefing"?

A. A debrief I think is what he probably said, they had debriefed him. I don't remember him articulating the specifics of that. You know, my understanding was that they would have gotten into who his sources were, how he knew certain things, and, you know, other details based on their own intelligence. Essentially what he told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that -- that they -- my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point -- that they believed Chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization.

[Then some discussion of whether he's going to name the human source concerned -- no, he's not[

Q. Was this individual also a person who had been a source for Mr. Steele, without identifying who that was?

A. No.

Q. So this was someone independent of Mr. Steele's sources who potentially had information also on the same topics?

A. Yes. I mean, I don't think this implicates any of the issues to say I think it was a voluntary source, someone who was concerned about the same concerns we had.

MR. DAVIS: I'm having a hard time hearing you. Please speak up.

BY THE WITNESS:

A. It was someone like us who decided to pick up the phone and report something.
I downloaded the .PDF from the link Kara provides in her post -- that made it a lot easier to search than the ones I'd seen in newspaper reports. Thanks Kara!

That's probably got the stable, kinda genius in even more of a state if anyone's dared tell him. He's got that medical exam on Friday -- Christ knows what his blood pressure is going to be like by then!
Innula Zenovka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 10:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Romana's Avatar
lost in time...
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,356
My Mood:
I was just reading a really interesting Twitter thread about this:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...082562048.html

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
Romana is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Users Said Thanks :
2 Users Agreed:
1 User Likes This:
Old 01-09-2018, 11:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
Lysistrata Worked
 
Merlynn D's Avatar
Stupid should hurt.
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 668
My Mood:
SL Join Date: Nov. 12, 2006
unfucking believable, the transcript is very damning with the repubs trying to spin it into a set up from the clinton campaign, and Grassley and Graham wanting Steele INVESTIGATED for possible criminal charges. he's more of a patriot to this country than either one of them. many heads are gonna roll.

trump has been obviously unraveling lately and it's no wonder - any bets on whether he ends up in prison?
Merlynn D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2018, 11:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Dakota Tebaldi's Avatar
Lurkin' and stuff
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Down by the bay, where the watermelons grow...
Posts: 15,629

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Romana View Post
I was just reading a really interesting Twitter thread about this:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...082562048.html

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
I like it, but I just have to add:

Quote:
And if Trump isnít impeached after this...
If I had a nickle for every time I've read those words in the last 12 months.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Io Zeno
Cody, you are unusual.
Dakota Tebaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 12:02 AM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member

*SLU Supporter*
 
Han Held's Avatar
So I shall remain ...a stranger
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,407
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 06/14/2005 then 04/06/2008
Client: Singularity 1.8.6
Blog Entries: 1

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Winner 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Tebaldi View Post
If I had a nickle for every time I've read those words in the last 12 months.
a-fucking-men!

Also that's to lose sight of what a collosal clusterfuck our country is in, a complete and unfixable one. Unless you're somehow going to impeach everyone from Trump on down to Ryan and McConnell's personal assistants and all points in between we're still fucked ...they'll have simply lost a useful distraction, and that's it.

Back to Trump; they have the means and the inclination to block his arrest; he's going to be just fine.
Han Held is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 06:17 AM   #11 (permalink)
*yawns loudly*

*SLU Supporter*
 
Misty Harley's Avatar
always in need of coffee
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: US
Posts: 5,574
SL Join Date: Septemper 06'
Client: catznip,exodus,nirans
You won't see an impeachment if they can avoid it, they loose Pence as a tie breaker. If Pence goes, they loose Ryan's vote.

Neither is a good thing for the R's right now. They barely get the votes from their own party and Pence has had to tie break a few times now. (5 as of October that I found in a quick google search)
Misty Harley is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Users Said Thanks :
Old 01-10-2018, 08:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
Coin-operated
 
Qie Niangao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,072
Quote:
Originally Posted by Innula Zenovka View Post
I'd read about there being an additional FBI informant inside the Trump organisation.
Everything I've seen suggests this is about the Papadopoulos leak to an Aussie diplomat, so it's not yet another distinct source. (There are almost certainly other, even earlier sources known to Mueller with more evidence of ugly Trump-Russia links.)

This revelation of testimony is most delicious for the shame it brings on Grassley and Graham. The lying, scheming treasonweasels get what they deserve for their stunt of referring Steele for "investigation" behind the back of the rest of the Judiciary committee (Feinstein the ranking minority member), meanwhile sealing the FusionGPS transcript on the false pretense that it contains sensitive sources. (Grassley is still blathering that excuse, for use by other Trumpbots.)
Qie Niangao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 08:47 AM   #13 (permalink)
OccupyE9 Sluni-Goon
 
Kara Spengler's Avatar
Hail Woz, the great and powerful!
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SL: November RL: DC
Posts: 22,513
SL Join Date: March, 2006
Client: Phoenix & Firestorm
Send a message via Skype™ to Kara Spengler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty Harley View Post
You won't see an impeachment if they can avoid it, they loose Pence as a tie breaker. If Pence goes, they loose Ryan's vote.
Unless I am mistaken they would still have a tiebreaker. It would not be Pence, he would move up to POTUS, but he would sill have a VP.

I am wondering what the Rs and Donnie will do now about the testimony other than yelling at her for releasing it. Even if you took it down from her site today there are already copies all over. Pretty much anyone who wanted to read it has already downloaded the thing (and if they were unable to could just get a copy from a colleague).
Kara Spengler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 10:55 AM   #14 (permalink)
Senior Member

*SLU Supporter*
 
Jolene Benoir's Avatar
What time is it?
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,190
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 2007
The Republican's handling of the congressional investigation tells us everything we need to know about their intentions regarding impeachment, even if and when the Mueller investigation is done.

They will lie, obfuscate, and use propaganda just like Trump to protect their desire to ram through legislation they have been salivating over for decades, aka removal of New Deal and Great Society policies.

We have a rogue political party at this point, which is willing to do anything, legal or illegal, destructive to democracy and/or the country in order that it may maintain power, wealth and hegemony.

Grover Norquist:
Quote:
Journalist William Greider quotes him saying his goal is to bring America back to what it was "up until Teddy Roosevelt, when the socialists took over. The income tax, the death tax, regulation, all that." When asked by journalist Steven Kroft about the goal of chopping government "in half and then shrink it again to where we were at the turn of the [20th] century" before Social Security and Medicare, Norquist replied.
Grover Norquist, again in 2012
Quote:
"All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. [...]

Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared."
I'd certainly say that Trump fills the role of a President with enough working digits to handle a pen. Barely, but he does.

The only way that I see to potentially stop this train that we are on is to take back the House. The odds against that are rather high. It would take a groundswell of huge magnitude. I think it's possible to take the Senate, perhaps, but the House seems improbable. It could happen, I guess, but it would take an abundance of people who are so dissatisfied with the current administration that they overcome gerrymandering, voting rights violations and apathy.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have hope and try our very best, but that hope (at least within me) took an almost mortal blow on Nov 8, 2016.
Jolene Benoir is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 01-10-2018, 02:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
Senior Member

*SLU Supporter*
 
Jolene Benoir's Avatar
What time is it?
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,190
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 2007
Twitter

This is the guy who asked Russia to "find and release" the missing emails to the public.

You just know that this piece of excrement wanted to tweet "sneaky jew". No matter, his cult will get it.

Fox will, of course, be running with this "possibly illegal" angle.
Jolene Benoir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 04:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Dakota Tebaldi's Avatar
Lurkin' and stuff
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Down by the bay, where the watermelons grow...
Posts: 15,629

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
It was a non-classified interview, so Trump as usual has hot air coming out of his wherever.
Dakota Tebaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 05:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
Miss Congeniality
 
Soda Sullivan's Avatar
Dressed up like a car crash
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,516
My Mood:
Client: Black Dragon, FS, SL Viewer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlynn D View Post
unfucking believable, the transcript is very damning with the repubs trying to spin it into a set up from the Clinton campaign, and Grassley and Graham wanting Steele INVESTIGATED for possible criminal charges. he's more of a patriot to this country than either one of them. many heads are gonna roll.

trump has been obviously unraveling lately and it's no wonder - any bets on whether he ends up in prison?
It is worth noting that Steele, who worked for Mi5 is British, but yes, he is behaving more patriotically than either Grassley or Graham. He is refusing to meet with the committees because, at this point, I doubt he trusts anyone in our government not to end up getting him killed.

British ex-spy behind Trump dodgy dossier faces new demands to appear before Congress

Quote:
Congressmen and committee figures have told The Telegraph that Christopher Steele’s evidence is key to understanding what really happened between the US president and Russia.

They want him to appear before two powerful committees investigating Russian election meddling to help settle a growing row over the dossier between Democrats and Republicans.

It comes amid frustration at Mr Steele's refusal to give testimony to lawmakers in any form despite being named as the author of the allegations a year ago.

It is understood that congressmen have even offered to fly to London to conduct an interview but have been rebutted by the former MI6 agent.
Why are they shocked? They have mischaracterized his report and have urged the justice department to file charges against him. He should tell them "You have my report, I stand by everything in it...now fuck off."

Last edited by Soda Sullivan; 01-10-2018 at 06:20 PM.
Soda Sullivan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2018, 05:40 PM   #18 (permalink)
Nasty Brit
 
Innula Zenovka's Avatar
Grande Cabalista
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 18,041
SL Join Date: 17 June 2007
Business: Something Spunky
He won't be willing to tell them anything much about his sources, his clients (other than Fusion GPS) or his dealings with British or foreign intelligence agencies and law enforcement, including the FBI, so I am not sure what they hope to gain by interviewing him.

He's also going to be perfectly well aware that several committee members are going to be far more interested in discrediting him and his research than in uncovering the truth of the matter.

To my mind, his interests, and those of everyone else save for Donald Trump and his entourage, and their supporters and enablers in the congress and the media, are best served by his cooperating with the FBI, as he did do and may well still be doing, outside the USA, including the Mueller investigation.
Innula Zenovka is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
1 User Likes This:
Old 01-11-2018, 08:49 AM   #19 (permalink)
state of non-being
 
Ambiguous's Avatar
The maple kind?
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Saner part of NC
Posts: 2,678
My Mood:
Client: Firestorm
Speculation is rampant about why Grassley and Graham, especially Graham are so adamant about covering for Trump these days. Graham is on record as saying Trump is a kook, and now sings his praises at every opportunity. Someone has something on him, it appears.

There's also the mass retirement of so many GOP House Reps and Senators all of a sudden. It makes it look like rats leaving a sinking ship, that something major is going to go down before November and they don't want any part of it. It does look like the Democrats have a chance at taking back both the House and Senate, but it's not a given, so why give up so easy?

I used to think that the GOP was kowtowing to Trump just to get their agenda passed, but now it seems to be something deeper and darker. I'm almost afraid of finding out what it is.
Ambiguous is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Users Said Thanks :
Old 01-11-2018, 09:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
OccupyE9 Sluni-Goon
 
Kara Spengler's Avatar
Hail Woz, the great and powerful!
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SL: November RL: DC
Posts: 22,513
SL Join Date: March, 2006
Client: Phoenix & Firestorm
Send a message via Skype™ to Kara Spengler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Tebaldi View Post
It was a non-classified interview, so Trump as usual has hot air coming out of his wherever.
Yes, unless she broke committee rules she will probably get at least a tongue lashing from Grassley. I am guessing she was careful not to break any rules but the absolute worst case she loses her committee seat. As to laws .... the only one I could think of that comes close is release of classified data but the document itself says several times it is not classified.
Kara Spengler is online now   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 01-11-2018, 02:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
Persistent Participant
Banned from posting Why?
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Earth, Early 21st century
Posts: 3,350
My Mood:
If I ever had any reservations about Feinstein she has redeemed herself. I will continue voting for her as long as she continues to run. Thanks everyone here for the great information and analysis.
Kaimi Kyomoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2018, 03:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
Lady of the House
 
Cristalle's Avatar
Hopeful
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,827
My Mood:
SL Join Date: December 1, 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaimi Kyomoon View Post
If I ever had any reservations about Feinstein she has redeemed herself. I will continue voting for her as long as she continues to run. Thanks everyone here for the great information and analysis.
Don't go THAT far. If she doesn't support raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare, it doesn't mean that much.
Cristalle is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Users Agreed:
Old 01-11-2018, 03:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Dakota Tebaldi's Avatar
Lurkin' and stuff
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Down by the bay, where the watermelons grow...
Posts: 15,629

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
I agree with Cristalle, it's fair to make continued support conditional on continued good choices. Nobody gets to rest on just a few laurels, even really admirable ones.
Dakota Tebaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Agreed:
Old 01-11-2018, 04:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
Persistent Participant
Banned from posting Why?
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Earth, Early 21st century
Posts: 3,350
My Mood:
Yeah and if she's successful in her desire to make flag burning illegal I'm going to have to burn one.
Kaimi Kyomoon is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Hugged You:
1 User Likes This:
Old 01-11-2018, 10:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
Just call me Beth
 
Aribeth Zelin's Avatar
Singing along with old music
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Out in the mists
Posts: 9,347
My Mood:
SL Join Date: Oct 4 2009
Business: Moondrops ; Tempus Fugit; Faerycat Designs; sPunk
Client: Firestorm
I'm not sure why we want to make illegal the one proper way to dispose of a damaged flag.
Aribeth Zelin is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Laughed:
2 Users Agreed:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




SEO by vBSEO