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Old 01-09-2018, 01:45 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I would not even consider voting for her for President of the United States.
That's the sort of attitude that gave the USA Donald instead of Hillary - don't disregard the value of "the lesser of two evils".
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At this point I'm ready for the United States to become a British colony again. We seem to have lost the knack for civilization lately anyways and could well use the refresher course.
At the moment we're not exactly being a shining example in such matters...
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:43 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The fawning over Oprah today has been ridiculous. She gave a beautiful speech while accepting her award, but the "draft Oprah" movement that has followed is a bit over the top. I would love to see Oprah become more involved in politics, perhaps using her fame and fortune to help get more young voters and more black voters to the voting booth in 2018. I would not even consider voting for her for President of the United States.
Remember the presidential elections are a long way off. All sorts of names will get floated this year on both sides, that is pretty typical of a lame duck presidency. Ironically the Rs can not run any competition to dear leader but he will force more people to come out and vote anti-R than the last time so he is pretty much out of the running.

By setting the bar so low there will be a lot of "they can not do any worse than 45" comments about pretty much anyone. It all depends on what the field shapes up as. As we get closer, who pairs up with who.

For example, Bernie is a possibility again for 2020. The major complaint I heard about him was the african american vote. How many minds would be changed by a Sanders/Winfrey ticket? It all comes down to who is also in the running.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:47 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I had to look up at that link to make sure it was not the Onion. What is even more perplexing is his bleedin education secretary echoed those comments.

I can see the amazon (or some other bookseller) take on this today. They would sell out of things in seconds.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:49 AM   #31 (permalink)
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At this point I'm ready for the United States to become a British colony again. We seem to have lost the knack for civilization lately anyways and could well use the refresher course.
Even if it were an opt-in choice for individuals. I already have some of the accents and spelling down.
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Furthermore, to get anything done, the President and her or his advisers and cabinet members will need the cooperation of both Congressional Houses, and that in turn means being able to work with the various different constituencies within the President's own party and also some of the people in their own party.
That doesn't exist anymore. We have teams. Team Red and Team Blue. There is no cross over, there is no working together and there is no common ground.

Maybe there used to be but it no longer exists within the public at large so there for it will not exist within the houses either.

We've become so pitted against each and wanting our 'team' to win that we'll do it at any cost just so we can have that medal of honor.

Of course that is why the US is the way it is right now. But hey, maybe some person will come along and actually be able to throw those teams away and figure out that we all need to retake a kindergarten primer about sharing and compromising in order to make the US benefit all.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:17 AM   #33 (permalink)
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For example, Bernie is a possibility again for 2020.



The guy will be 79 by then.
It is not an election for a new pope, is it?
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The guy will be 79 by then.
It is not an election for a new pope, is it?
And Joe Biden -- who is also spoken of as a possible candidate -- will be a mere stripling of 78.

Obviously being an older white male shouldn't disqualify potential candidates, but I'm a bit concerned -- particularly in the light of all the articles I've read about how that's the Republicans' main demographic, and it's a demographic that decreases in size every year -- that the Democrats seem to have difficulty finding candidates from different backgrounds.

Mind you, I'm no stripling myself, so I can remember when people made unkind remarks about the Soviet Union's ruling gerontocracy.
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You are forgetting who would be the running mate (non-USA people: they would be president if he were to die in office). If you take both 'he is too old' AND 'the ticket is not appealing to african-americans' what is left? Calling him a socialist?

edited to clarify what a running mate's duties are
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You are forgetting who would be the running mate (non-USA people: they would be president if he were to die in office). If you take both 'he is too old' AND 'the ticket is not appealing to african-americans' what is left? Calling him a socialist?

edited to clarify what a running mate's duties are
Who would be his running mate? I wasn't aware he'd chosen one. And why isn't she or he, whoever it is, running for President in his or her own right rather than simply hoping literally to step into a dead man's shoes?

My main point, really, is that there seems to be something of a disconnect between all the articles I read about how the Republicans' most dependable demographic is a rapidly ageing and shrinking population, soon to be greatly outnumbered by the Democrats' more diverse pool of support, and many of the people who keep on being discussed as potential candidates.

While I wouldn't want to rule anyone out on the grounds of his or her age, I have to say that, because of the job's physical and mental demands (at least if the incumbent is actually doing the job) I wonder how many people in their late 70s would be able to handle four or eight years of it.
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I had to look up at that link to make sure it was not the Onion.
Andy Borowitz is the same thing. He writes satire for the New Yorker.
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By setting the bar so low there will be a lot of "they can not do any worse than 45" comments about pretty much anyone. It all depends on what the field shapes up as. As we get closer, who pairs up with who.
It is painfully obvious that some of you guys are living in a liberal bubble and don't have any friends on social media who are Trump supporters. Those people actually think that Dump Truck is doing a great job. They think the "My button is bigger..." tweet was great. They claim some of the idiotic things Trump tweets is just him "playing liberals like a fiddle," and actually believe he is trying to keep his campaign promises.

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That's the sort of attitude that gave the USA Donald instead of Hillary - don't disregard the value of "the lesser of two evils".
The lesser of two evils is still evil. Dump is president because people are still too locked into this two party mindset and believe that they're wasting their vote if they vote third party. The only real change that's going to happen in this country will be when enough people decide Fuck the Dems and the Republicans - they're just two sides of the same wooden nickel, and elect a 3rd party candidate. Even if we could get a fair number of 3rd party people into congress it would start shaking up the two major parties, and get them to start thinking, "Oh wait - if we actually want people's votes we better start running better candidates." Right now they can put up whatever piece of shit they want, and they know people will vote for that piece of shit because they don't think there's an alternative.

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The possible number of " angry old white guy" coronaries and aneurysms she would inspire alone would be worth getting her to run. Black AND female AND lesbian? They'd be dropping like flies in November.
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Who would be his running mate? I wasn't aware he'd chosen one. And why isn't she or he, whoever it is, running for President in his or her own right rather than simply hoping literally to step into a dead man's shoes?
The hypothetical I proposed earlier was if Oprah were Bernie's running mate in 2020. In addition to quieting the 'he will never get african american votes' doubters he would either project her career for a future run or she would take over before his term was up. Worst case is she winds up with national political experience, which is something she lacks right now.
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Andy Borowitz is the same thing. He writes satire for the New Yorker.
Thanks, I skipped over the byline.
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It is painfully obvious that some of you guys are living in a liberal bubble and don't have any friends on social media who are Trump supporters.
Yes, and I have made it pretty clear on fbook that I do not want to be friends with donnie's supporters.

Note that that is not the same as not being friends with conservatives. I think of any potential friend with 'the watercooler test'. Is this someone interesting to talk to in the work breakroom over the watercooler? I have had friends I disagreed completely with on politics. At the same time I am not friends with every liberal either.

Dear leader's people though? Can we all say 'I hate anyone who does not think like me'? I will talk to people who do not agree with me but not to people who do not share that opinion of being open to listening to other ideas.

If that is a dreaded bubble, well, so be it.
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I like Oprah and I think that there is a role in politics for her, just not as POTUS. I was really hoping Senator Elizabeth Warren would run. She is experienced, very smart and I agree with most of what she would like to accomplish in office. I like Bernie too, but I think I like Elizabeth better. I also think that she could win over Trump.
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Moving to England would definitely not be my first choice for escaping the madness. Theresa May, brexit, yuck. The Netherlands, France or Germany seem like better choices except for the language problem. Actually Canada is my first choice. I might do that one day.
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Moving to England would definitely not be my first choice for escaping the madness. Theresa May, brexit, yuck. The Netherlands, France or Germany seem like better choices except for the language problem. Actually Canada is my first choice. I might do that one day.
One of the many places US schools fail their students. Even deducting for an accent and/or not knowing regional slang often schoolkids in non-english speaking 1st world countries speak better english than we do speaking any of their languages.

I would love to move to Finland. Unfortunately my wife vetoed that one right off, despite a large population (especially around major cities) that can speak english and it looking like their sign language is close to american sign.
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Interesting article in The Guardian by Briahna Joy Gray, Oprah Winfrey for president? The idea reveals an uncomfortable truth.

She recalls how, back in 2015--2016, many Democrats purported to believe that political experience and sound political judgment were both important qualifications for a presidential candidate, and notes that Oprah certainly lacks political experience and that we know very little about her actual political views. She was, though, apparently a great supporter, at least back in 2002, of the US invasion of Iraq:
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Maybe that doesn't matter now.

ETA: Actually, that may not be wholly fair. Apparently she did a series of programmes on the subject in October and November 2002, and while the first one was criticised for being strongly in favour of the invasion, the later ones came round to a far more critical stance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah's_Anti-war_series

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She was, though, apparently a great supporter, at least back in 2002, of the US invasion of Iraq: https://twitter.com/shailjapatel/sta...15667978416128
Maybe that doesn't matter now.
Who knows. It's nutty. Let's elect someone for president because she is likable on tv. We don't even have much of an idea of what she thinks about the issues.
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Moving to England would definitely not be my first choice for escaping the madness. Theresa May, brexit, yuck. The Netherlands, France or Germany seem like better choices except for the language problem. Actually Canada is my first choice. I might do that one day.
Move to Berlin, language wouldn't be a problem here - everyone speaks English and you get the best döner & currywurst.
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