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Old 12-28-2017, 02:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Feels and Facts are two different things

I saw this phrase today and loved it but not feeling patient enough to wait for the perfect thread or subject to use it. So, I’m going to reverse engineer this thing by creating a thread title with my favourite new comeback and let the topics follow. Abortion? Climate? Taxes? Your nasty ex? Milli Vanilli? Religious fanfic? What is the best... ok best might be subjective, so what is a common or great a great example where feels and facts are two different things?
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Erm...as this phrase, in my experience, has been most frequently used as a condescending and bullying dog-whistle by MAGA and MRA types against women and POC, I'm going to take a knee on this one.
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I saw this phrase today and loved it but not feeling patient enough to wait for the perfect thread or subject to use it. So, I’m going to reverse engineer this thing by creating a thread title with my favourite new comeback and let the topics follow. Abortion? Climate? Taxes? Your nasty ex? Milli Vanilli? Religious fanfic? What is the best... ok best might be subjective, so what is a common or great a great example where feels and facts are two different things?
Much of what comes out of Trump's mouth? EG his obsession that he would have won the popular vote by a landslide if it wasn't for ballot-rigging, or that the crowds at his inauguration were far larger than those at Obama's.
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Erm...as this phrase, in my experience, has been most frequently used as a condescending and bullying dog-whistle by MAGA and MRA types against women and POC, I'm going to take a knee on this one.
Oh no!! I had no idea. I wouldn’t have expected it either since neither group really strikes me as big on facts, but I can see how they would want to mock people.

I may still appropriate it though. Especially in the context I heard it today which was related to parents who withhold medical treatments for their children (vaccines, transfusions, antibiotics, etc) because of their beliefs.
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Much of what comes out of Trump's mouth? EG his obsession that he would have won the popular vote by a landslide if it wasn't for ballot-rigging, or that the crowds at his inauguration were far larger than those at Obama's.
Or that he would NEVER go on vacation?

Not only is he on them more often then other presidents he actually treats them as, well, vacations. In the past a presidential vacation is more properly a presidential 'vacation'.
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Erm...as this phrase, in my experience, has been most frequently used as a condescending and bullying dog-whistle by MAGA and MRA types against women and POC, I'm going to take a knee on this one.
Don't forget against LGBTQ too!
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Particularly the "T" portion, though all of it really. But they love to trot out "mental illness" and other bullshit at transpeeps in particular
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Erm...as this phrase, in my experience, has been most frequently used as a condescending and bullying dog-whistle by MAGA and MRA types against women and POC, I'm going to take a knee on this one.
Yes!

I think many of those MRA types in particular suffer from the psychiatrist's fallacy. They are correctly stating that feminists rely on feelings to base their ethical notions, but then they falsely believe that their own convictions are based on higher reasoning.

ALL ethics, politics and motivations to do anything are fundamentally rooted in emotion. Even something as basic as your will to stop a lion from eating you comes from emotions. All animals with complex brains have emotions for this reason.

If I kick an MRA in the shin, and challenge to them to explain why they are not okay with that, eventually they will have to make a reference to emotion. There is no such thing as purely logical politics.
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Oh no!! I had no idea. I wouldn’t have expected it either since neither group really strikes me as big on facts, but I can see how they would want to mock people.

I may still appropriate it though. Especially in the context I heard it today which was related to parents who withhold medical treatments for their children (vaccines, transfusions, antibiotics, etc) because of their beliefs.
YMMV, but the first time I saw it used regularly was during GG to tell women that just because they felt something was sexist didn’t mean it was. After that it was a staple of harassment bro culture and I see it used a lot against POC basically to tell them that just because they feel like something is racist doesn’t mean it is. And, yes, I should have noted LGBTQ because TERFs use it all the time to tell trans women that just because they feel like women doesn’t mean they are.

Basically a lot of white people use it to tell others that they’re wrong about oppressive critique X.
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Oh no!! I had no idea. I wouldn’t have expected it either since neither group really strikes me as big on facts, but I can see how they would want to mock people.

I may still appropriate it though. Especially in the context I heard it today which was related to parents who withhold medical treatments for their children (vaccines, transfusions, antibiotics, etc) because of their beliefs.
Here is a good example of what I think you wanted:

An Outbreak of Liberal Idiocy - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart | Comedy Central

I wanted to add a bit: What typically happens when you perform the same experiment 100 times is 95-98 times it tells you the same thing, but the remaining 2-5 times, you messed it up. People LOVE to draw a false equivalence between those. Another example is how nutritional research consistently says the foods you love are horrible for you, but Time Magazine still shamelessly published the butter outlier study.

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YMMV, but the first time I saw it used regularly was during GG to tell women that just because they felt something was sexist didn’t mean it was. After that it was a staple of harassment bro culture and I see it used a lot against POC basically to tell them that just because they feel like something is racist doesn’t mean it is. And, yes, I should have noted LGBTQ because TERFs use it all the time to tell trans women that just because they feel like women doesn’t mean they are.

Basically a lot of white people use it to tell others that they’re wrong about oppressive critique X.
Well that sucks, it could have been a useful phrase in other contexts, or to use against them. Like those who are using how fucken cold it FEELS outside right now to deny climate change. I’m giving my neighbors a pass though, shoveling sidewalks at -41c does funny things to you.
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Well that sucks, it could have been a useful phrase in other contexts, or to use against them. Like those who are using how fucken cold it FEELS outside right now to deny climate change. I’m giving my neighbors a pass though, shoveling sidewalks at -41c does funny things to you.
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Well that sucks, it could have been a useful phrase in other contexts, or to use against them. Like those who are using how fucken cold it FEELS outside right now to deny climate change. I’m giving my neighbors a pass though, shoveling sidewalks at -41c does funny things to you.
I don't see anything wrong in commandeering the other side's jibes to turn against them. I've seen plenty of people jeering at alt-right and Republican "snowflakes" for being "triggered" by things they don't want to hear, and for needing a "safe space" where people don't challenge their views.
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We have one? As far as I am concerned our last prez stepped down in January and nobody else has taken the job yet.
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No. Just ...... no.

Ever tried editing source code written by someone who thought word or notepad was a text editor?
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I've also had to deal with web pages that were done up with Word, then stuck on something done up with Frontpage. I still want to curl up into a fetal position when I think of that.
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Here is a good example of what I think you wanted:

An Outbreak of Liberal Idiocy - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart | Comedy Central

I wanted to add a bit: What typically happens when you perform the same experiment 100 times is 95-98 times it tells you the same thing, but the remaining 2-5 times, you messed it up. People LOVE to draw a false equivalence between those. Another example is how nutritional research consistently says the foods you love are horrible for you, but Time Magazine still shamelessly published the butter outlier study.
It came up in a discussion about this couple who tried to treat their child’s bacterial meningitis with garlic and onion smoothies and tea, avoiding doctors ( other than a naturopath) until the point he died. A lot of people are outraged that their feelings/fears about the health care system led to this child’s death, and the light sentences they got.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3935747/s...ingitis-death/
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*shudder*

I've also had to deal with web pages that were done up with Word, then stuck on something done up with Frontpage. I still want to curl up into a fetal position when I think of that.
Ugh, a lot of my work is with the web right now. I am not sure what frustrates me more: people who want to micromanage the look of one line (yes, css, but really some people take it to the extreme) or others who send me something saved from word to html then wonder why I am turning all sorts of interesting shades of red.
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