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what the fuck were they thinking?

the first one looks like Wallace with hair:



the second one, well...



come on, Fox. hire somebody who can photoshop a more fair and balanced image.

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Bard Jameson

I skipped half of this thread so please forgive if I am restating something already covered...but:

Once news switched from a "cost center" to a "revenue center", news died. Period.

News was once a cost to networks because it was expected and required to keep the licence. When it became a source of revenue, all news outlets, no matter their bias, became unreliable for "news". They now only offer "product".

"Product" is something to sell. You sell red toothpaste to one demographic, and blue toothpaste to another. To expect anything other than "toothpaste" from these "revenue centers" is to expect water to run uphill.

There is no "news" anymore, period, IMHO.

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Travis Lambert

Fox News just irritates me to watch.

I get my McNews from CNN, and my daily dose from Stewart & Colbert.

Persephone Milk

I really cannot bear to watch Fox news, or any of the major television news stations any longer. It's gotten to a point where 75% of the programming is commentary, usually coming from the stations primary lean. Yes, Fox leans right to be sure. But all of the other stations lean left. For a while Fox was a refreshing change. But now, it's painful to watch. Everything is sensationalized and exaggerated for the ratings. And since Fox has been so successful, all of the other televisions news outlets have copied their style.

As far as Fox leaning right, of course they do. Anybody who has ears to hear knows that. But to insist that CNN or ABC doesn't lean left is silly. I remember during the last election, I started to collect the CNN.com polls because they were so outrageously left leaning. Questions like: How dumb is George Bush? 1) Pretty dumb, 2) Very dumb, 3) Extremely idiotic. Ok I am exaggerating for effect. But all networks lean some direction.

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jacqueline trudeau

feh, you just got suckered into mediamatter's wacko fringe group agenda. Don't you know that's an opinion show. The art director's opinion of what those guys should look like. Right, Cindy?

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Cindy Claveau

"Fox & Friends" is an op-ed talk show, not a newscast. I can't believe someone has actually taken the time to examine every single photo Fox uses looking for something disreputable. Man, someone needs a fucking life.

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Joshua Nightshade

When did you become a shrill right-wing mouthpiece?

Richie Waves

outrageous... maybe if it was move on or some other "radical" you'd understand...

doesnt take a moron to see those pictures are doctored.

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Richie Waves

Shes a moderate Josh, which means agree with and defend the right wing while calling everyone left of Lord Reagan a radical.

Surreal

What's with the shrill? If you don't want people to think you've got issues with women, don't write like it.

Richie Waves

Shrill is an opinion, this isnt the news!111

Cindy Claveau

When did you stop comprehending the meaning of simple words?

Do you people not recognize a media war when you see one? You're siding against Fox because you disagree with their politics, which would be fine if it didn't make you so fucking blind you'll swallow anything you can find that makes Fox look bad.

I don't watch Fox anymore. I believe I said that already. I cannot stand O'Reilly or Hannity or some of their other talkshow hosts. I said that, too. So now I'm "shrill"? Fuck you.

But why are they any different than the idiots they trot out on MSNBC or CBS or ABC? Simply because you don't agree with them, they're Teh Evol! And ZOMG they're RIGHT WING! They're going to hell for sure because Rightwingers embody everything that's bad with everything, including my toejam!

Please step away from the hyperbole and recognize that there's a shooting war going on between Fox and the leftwing media groups like Media Matters. It does not require you to jump into the middle just because you happen to dislike Fox.

To whit:

Here's another one from John Gibson (Fox commentator):

To the Right, words like "Hillary" and "Soros-funded" cause more kneejerks than GW Bush showing up at a Michael Moore premiere.

Entertaining as hell. But in the big world of reality, right now I don't trust Media Matters to NOT have doctored those photos any more than I trust Fox to not have doctored them.

But then I refuse to swallow any old thing someone posts on their blog or an anonymous internet forum as gospel just because they agree with me.

Objectivity means sometimes you have to put the rhetoric down and admit the bad guys aren't all bad and the good guys aren't all good. Don't let your bias blind you.

Surreal

Joshua Nightshade

I don't really care if you want to say I have issues with women repeatedly. It's an adjective. You'll live. If you don't want me to think you're an idiot you'd stop forcing your own bias onto my words.

Joshua Nightshade

No, I'm a moderate. And I understand the difference between a channel that purports itself as



and a POLITICAL ACTION GROUP.

I also understand the actions of a news channel that purports itself as



need to be higher than a POLITICAL ACTION GROUP.

So whining that a POLITICAL ACTION GROUP, which by definition is biased and POLITICAL, is engaging in a biased, political action against a news organization that claims to be



is really really stupid to me. And not even stupid but pointlessly obtuse and arguing for the sake of arguing.

Joshua Nightshade

There's nothing to be objective about. If you were comparing Fox to CNN that would be an equal comparison. You aren't. You're comparing a news organization to a political action group. Which is NOT AN EQUAL COMPARISON.

It's not apples to oranges. It's excusing a news organization which should have a higher standard on the basis of the bias of a POLITICAL ACTION GROUP. Which, duh, it's going to have. Because that's its definition!

Cindy Claveau

Right, you sure sound like one

So would you agree with me, then, that Sen. McCain deserves as fair a look as Sen. Obama before November?

Because I am honestly trying to not make up my mind yet until I've heard them debate and heard more about their platforms.

If you wouldn't give McCain the time of day before the election, you're not a moderate. You're a Democrat. And if you wouldn't give Obama the time of day you're not a moderate, you're a Republican. If you honestly, genuinely wish that we had a viable third party option in this country, maybe you are a moderate. (I wouldn't count the Libertarians right now)

I just find it disconcerting that the same people on this board who are consistently outraged whenever freedoms and rights are abridged would make it sound like they want Fox - a legally constituted member of the media - shut down or shut up. Fox has rights, too.

Freedom's not free unless everybody has it, including people you disagree with. Including opinions you find abhorrent.

To repeat myself yet again: All the anti-Fox propaganda is heard and accepted by people who already agree with the propagandists (Media Matters, Huffington blog, et al). The Fox viewers don't hear it, except through the filter of Fox. It only gives Fox more ammo to convince their viewers that they're being persecuted by the Evol Lefties.

People like myself, who are real moderates and listen to a lot of sources, squint our eyes and go "WTF?" at the back and forth. Fox has a right to broadcast their opinion. Media Matters has a right to do whatever it is they're doing. Neither of them is going to be on my mind when I cast my vote in November. Neither of them will make a tinker's damn bit of difference to me when I pull the lever.

But what do I know? I'm "shrill".

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Joshua Nightshade

I already know enough about McCain to determine that I'm not interested in him. That in no way affects my status as "moderate."

The petition isn't asking for Fox to shut down. It's asking them to stop spewing racist garbage and to take accountability for their programming. Frankly I would take it a step further: stop representing yourselves as a news broadcast and be upfront and honest about what you intend to be. It's obviously not news. Stop lying about being such.

I don't believe I've ever read the Huffington Post before, but cute with the "real" and underlining. I don't look to you to validate or determine my political viewpoint or definition.

Cindy Claveau

Honestly, I get that, Joshua, but I also think you're holding Fox to a different standard.

The NY Times has an entire section on opinion. CNN hosts a wide variety of opinion shows. So does MSNBC. None of them get the same flak as Fox because they're not a right-leaning organization. In fact, the Times is more left than right. But that's ok, right?

I've seen actual Fox news casts. They don't interject opinion, they report news. I linked their Election 2008 website here earlier in the thread, and pointed out that they appear to handle Obama just as fairly as McCain.

But because Fox talk show hosts are conservative (or in the case of Hannity, screaming righties) and have guests on their show who make jokes in poor taste, you want to lump the entire channel into one big rightwing basket?

To be fair, then, let's lump the entire NY Times into one big Leftwing basket. And throw the LA Times and Chicago Tribune into the hole with 'em. Fair is fair.

Joshua Nightshade

The NY Times opinion section is clearly marked. As are similar opinion sections of programming in similar shows. On Fox there is little distinction between what is meant to be news and what is meant to be editorial. And beyond that it's all mushed together under the lie of "Fair and Balanced" when it's not just right-leaning, it's deliberate Bush administrative propaganda.

Cindy Claveau

I know you're going to run out and do this right now, but you need to watch again. That's not true at all.

Showing the Fox logo at the bottom of the screen (which uses the word "news" because the network is named "Fox News") doesn't overwrite the ongoing program, which could be Fox & Friends, Hannity & Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, or "Special Report with Brit Hume", all of which are one part news talking points and ten parts opinion. The difference is only invisible to high school dropouts and Fox-haters.

Surreal

Same here... fanatics of any stripe give me hives, and the left & the right both have their share of those - only the words are different.

I wish I could find a reference for it, but a few years back I heard about a study on perceived bias in the media, as I recall over the Israelie/Palestinian conflict.

Two groups on the opposite ends of the issue were given the exact same story and asked to evaluate it for bias. Both groups thought it was biased against their point-of-view... the same exact story.

Surreal

This is where you're supposed to write a pithy post about how you've been personally insulted and demand an apology... get with the program woman!

Envoy Costagravas

Hey, excuse me for just a moment.

I don't think anyone examined every photo. I think this is a case where someone realized that - op-ed talk show or not - a "News" channel just decided to alter the photos of a couple of other journalists.

Didn't say anything about that, did they? Nope. Just tried to put it up there. Really top-notch.

Cindy, you've got to admit at some point when this stuff goes beyond the pale. This was juvenile to the extreme, and whether you want to hide behind the skirts of "op-ed" or not, it *was* a broadcast on Fox News Channel, not Comedy Central. If you think this doesn't devalue the concept or credibility of Fox on a broader level, you should just ante up and admit you can't view any of this objectively.

Fox News. Not Fox Comedy. At some point the parent organization has to take some responsibility.

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