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Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

And where's Karl working these days? Oh! Fox News... funny how that name keeps coming back.

You make it sound like he's sitting behind the camera calling the shots, Jacqueline.

Wiki this.

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Since leaving the White House, Rove has worked as a political analyst and contributor for Fox News, Newsweek, and the Wall Street Journal.

You forgot one - Tony Snow went from a Fox talking head to the White House, too. Oh, wait, he's now working at CNN. I guess they didn't realize he was such a rightwinger.

Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

BFox is just sad... they won't stop until they can convince 100% of it's viewers that Obama is ... wait for it ... <scary music> a... MUSLIM!

That was meant for the NASCAR crowd. You weren't supposed to hear it.

Really, I don't get that part - how can the conservatives make such a huge stink over Rev. Wright and then turn around and claim Obama is or was secretly Muslim?

Edit: Don't forget, his stepfather was an ATHEIST too. The email that's going around has both MUSLIM and ATHEIST in caps.

Who is Barack Obama?

Interestingly, Snopes points out that the email being passed around points people to Snopes, which in fact contradicts the email.

jacqueline trudeau · 06-29-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

That was meant for the NASCAR crowd. You weren't supposed to hear it.

Right, just NEWS in code. uh-huh.

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Really, I don't get that part - how can the conservatives make such a huge stink over Rev. Wright and then turn around and claim Obama is or was Muslim?

Wildly throw shit until something sticks. Thats your tactic when it's all you have.

Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 09:40 AM

You know what, the Fox News election site doesn't look that bad to me. I looked and didn't see one single derogatory thing about Obama - in fact, the coverage looks pretty equal to me though I didn't read every article.

Then again, the website does reflect official Fox news policy while the commentators on TV do give personal, political opinion. That's the difference I've been trying to point out.

Joshua Nightshade · 06-29-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Let me guess. You don't comprehend well.

The clips did NOT portray Fox newscasts. They were EDITORIAL OPINION, and some weren't even Fox analysts. They were guests.

Get back to me when you also start criticizing the bullshit that passes for "opinion" from Chris Matthews, Al Franken, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Ken Olberman and Michael Moore. I don't see much of that around here, so I think I know where you can stick your opinion.

I criticize Michael Moore all the time. Chris Matthews is an idiot. The other three, excepting Ken Olberman, whom I tend to agree with on a lot of things, are comedians.

Only two of those people are reporters. What's your point?

The Fox broadcasts were done during the timeslot of Fox News and dressed up to look like.... NEWS.

Doesn't take a fucking genius to get a clue.

Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

I criticize Michael Moore all the time. Chris Matthews is an idiot. The other three, excepting Ken Olberman, whom I tend to agree with on a lot of things, are comedians.

Only two of those people are reporters. What's your point?

That only one of the clips in Cris' OP actually showed a news anchor doing news. The rest were not reporting, they were opining - or weren't even a Fox employee. A couple of them were guests brought on the show to give their opinion. What's your point?

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The Fox broadcasts were done during the timeslot of Fox News and dressed up to look like.... NEWS.

Never watched Fox then, I take it?

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Doesn't take a fucking genius to get a clue.

It shouldn't. Usually it just takes a little common sense and more information than what a radical political action group chooses to provide.

Joshua Nightshade · 06-29-2008, 10:17 AM

jacqueline trudeau · 06-29-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

You make it sound like he's sitting behind the camera calling the shots, Jacqueline.

Wiki this.

You forgot one - Tony Snow went from a Fox talking head to the White House, too. Oh, wait, he's now working at CNN. I guess they didn't realize he was such a rightwinger.

That Rove should be behind bars instead working in the MSM is an indicator of the level it's sunk to (but that's another thread). But of those 3 you mention (2 of which are in the Murdoch empire, Newsweek in an attempt to balance Markos Moulitsas. Hmmm.. Tell me what left winger did Fox hire to balance out Rove??), Fox gives him the much higher prime-time profile.

I'd say Snow, as a cancer survivor and current sympathetic character, gets an idealogical pass (I'm guessing that was the rationale at the high level decision making process).

Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Surreal · 06-29-2008, 11:39 AM

OK.. I've read this thread twice and I'm still not sure wtf is going on here... Anyone have a concise summary?

Dancien Graves · 06-29-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

OK.. I've read this thread twice and I'm still not sure wtf is going on here... Anyone have a concise summary?

People will argue just about everything here?

jacqueline trudeau · 06-29-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal Farber

OK.. I've read this thread twice and I'm still not sure wtf is going on here... Anyone have a concise summary?

Just a take on whether FoxNews is over-the-top biased or not. Don't tell me you've never heard of the issue before?

**Envoy Costagravas** · 06-29-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Just a take on whether FoxNews is over-the-top biased or not. Don't tell me you've never heard of the issue before?

This could all be settled by a name change to FoxOpEds. No one could complain then!

jacqueline trudeau · 06-29-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Envoy Costagravas

This could all be settled by a name change to FoxOpEds. No one could complain then!

Or just FoxOps! That sounds all war and military-y and shit... a prefect come hither to the Fox demo.

Richie Waves · 06-29-2008, 12:34 PM

How about just "Bush white house propaganda ministry"?

**Cristiano** · 06-29-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

It shouldn't. Usually it just takes a little common sense and more information than what a radical political action group chooses to provide.

You keep calling them a "radical political action group" - by the same token, FoxNews is a "radical news organization".

Richie Waves · 06-29-2008, 12:42 PM

Anti war is radical now... what fucking planet are we on here?

**Io Zeno** · 06-29-2008, 01:16 PM

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An inside look at how Fox News ‘reports’ the ‘news’

Posted January 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

Yesterday afternoon, Fox News, which rarely breaks stories of its own, seemed to have a juicy campaign scoop — James Carville and Paul Begala, architects of Bill Clinton’s campaign victories, were leaving their jobs at CNN to help turn around Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. We’d heard quite a bit lately about a significant staff shake-up, and this would be quite a development.

Except, of course, it wasn’t true at all. Fox News ran the report without even asking Carville and Begala for comment, and both were quick to set the record straight. Carville told Greg Sargent, for example, “Fox was, is and will continue to be an asinine and ignorant network.” Shortly thereafter, Begala was equally emphatic.

This isn’t one of those gray-area stories where’s there’s a kernel of truth that ends up exaggerated. In other words, let’s say Carville and Begala hosted an informal strategy chat with Hillary and some of her top aides about how to proceed after New Hampshire. Fox News heard about a meeting, extrapolated, and then exaggerated.

But that’s just it — there was no meeting, there were no discussions, Carville and Begala haven’t had any connection to the Clinton campaign at all. Fox News’ scoop was bogus.

Today, Begala has a fascinating take on his efforts to correct the record, and Fox News’ reluctance to embrace the journalistic standards of a junior high-school newspaper.

"Fox News never even tried to contact me to verify their story, and when I contacted Fox, I felt like a character in a Kafka novel — or at least Curb Your Enthusiasm."

"Fox’s Major Garrett — a good guy whom I’ve known for years — broke the story. My phone started ringing off the hook, and my email box bulged. There are still, thank goodness, a lot of real journalists out there. Tim Russert was first. I assured him it wasn’t true, he thanked me for waving him off a false story, and that was that. Then my own network, CNN, called. I told them if I were quitting CNN that CNN would know before Fox News. Soon after, others called or emailed: Jonathan Alter of Newsweek, George Stephanopoulos and Teddy Davis of ABC, Beth Fouhy of AP, Mark Halperin of Time, John Harris of the Politico, Jill Lawrence of USA Today, Peter Baker of the Washington Post, Patrick Healy of the New York Times, David Gregory of NBC and Bill Sammon of the Examiner. There were probably more. I list the names only to give credit to journalists who behaved like reporters, not repeaters."

"After I told Fox it wasn’t true — and this is the surreal part — they kept reporting it anyway. In fact, Fox’s Garrett told me he’d “take it under advisement.” Take it under advisement?

Generally, professional journalists don’t take the truth “under advisement”; they take it to their audience.

More: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/14184.html

Cindy Claveau · 06-29-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

You keep calling them a "radical political action group" - by the same token, FoxNews is a "radical news organization".

Are you claiming MoveOn is NOT radical?

I haven't seen them do or say anything that was politically moderate. Fox is to the right, and I'm not denying that, but you guys make it sound like they're wearing swastikas on their sleeves. Couldn't it just be that perhaps that's your own perspective?

Compared to MoveOn, Fox IS moderate. The political spectrum is relative.

Surreal · 06-29-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Are you claiming MoveOn is NOT radical?

I thought the General Betrayus ad was crap.

**Io Zeno** · 06-29-2008, 01:39 PM

FOX is a so-called news station. Moveon is a political organization. You simply cannot compare the two unless you want to compare CNN to the RNC.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 06-29-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

... a prefect come hither to the Fox demo.

Sorry, Jac, but you saying come hither got me all excited a little.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 06-29-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Are you claiming MoveOn is NOT radical?

I'm not. How's that?

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I haven't seen them do or say anything that was politically moderate.

Frankly, I find the devaluation of the language to be really lame. The next thing past moderate is NOT radical. But anything that is at the far-left or far-right of a traditional political spectrum gets branded radical. I hate it when it is done by either liberals or conservatives.

Your avatar looks quite young

so I have no idea how far back you go on this stuff, but I remember the Weathermen, the Chicago Six, the Black Panters, et al. Now there was radical. Don't diss the term by using it for a bona fide political action group like MoveOn.

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Couldn't it just be that perhaps that's your own perspective?

Geez, Cindy, ALL of this is perspective, including your own!

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Compared to MoveOn, Fox IS moderate. The political spectrum is relative.

They damn well better be: they are a 'news' organization, not a political front with an agenda.

Damn, I had a hard time typing that last sentence...

Surreal · 06-29-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Just a take on whether FoxNews is over-the-top biased or not. Don't tell me you've never heard of the issue before?

Oh... I haven't analyzed Fox News past its appeal to the bland and dumb.

**Envoy Costagravas** · 07-03-2008, 01:05 AM

I can't say I was surprised.

Wait, yes I can. I didn't think any 'news' organization in the broadcast or print medium would ever sink quite this low. It isn't just the dishonesty involved, but, frankly, the completely adolescent nature of the act. I really have a hard time figuring out how these people look at themselves in the mirror before and after work.

Fox News Airs Altered Photos of New York Times Reporters

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Envoy Costagravas One never knows for sure SLU Supporter Diplomacy, with one in the chamber... Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: On diplomatic assignment, somewhere... Posts: 3,812 My Mood:	FoxNews: Fair and Photoshopped! I can't say I was surprised. Wait, yes I can. I didn't think any 'news' organization in the broadcast or print medium would ever sink quite this low. It isn't just the dishonesty involved, but, frankly, the completely adolescent nature of the act. I really have a hard time figuring out how these people look at themselves in the mirror before and after work. *Fox News Airs Altered Photos of New York Times* Reporters** Last edited by Envoy Costagravas; 07-03-2008 at 02:48 AM. Reason: Typo fixing - it's the in thing!

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Cindy Claveau Cheap but never free "-ish" Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12,465 My Mood: SL Join Date: May, 2005 Awards: 2	You know what, the Fox News election site doesn't look that bad to me. I looked and didn't see one single derogatory thing about Obama - in fact, the coverage looks pretty equal to me though I didn't read every article. Then again, the website does reflect official Fox news policy while the commentators on TV do give personal, political opinion. That's the difference I've been trying to point out.

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