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Old 06-27-2008, 08:29 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I'm thinking about signing it. As it is I'm beginning to this this freedom of the press bullshit has gone too far and they should be forced to report the news, as it is, without their idiotic spin or hammering it into the ground. (That includes all the cable news networks)
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:08 AM   #104 (permalink)
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"shedding viewers"? "was up by only 9%" means that they added only 9% compared to the 42% increase for CNN and 37% for MSNBC. It grew by 9%. That is not shedding viewers.

Now if your "shedding viewers" comment is based on something else, sorry.
When your competition's viewership is increasing 4-fold in comparison to yours (out of a not-infinite pool), the trend is absolutely that way. But if you prefer the more technically accurate "losing ground" then you are welcome to that by all means
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Old 06-28-2008, 09:55 AM   #105 (permalink)
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It does because this is all much ado about nothing, and hypocracy at its finest. Moveon.org is just a foreign influence on US political matters and should be stripped of it 527 status.
Fox is owned by an Aussie...
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When your competition's viewership is increasing 4-fold in comparison to yours (out of a not-infinite pool), the trend is absolutely that way. But if you prefer the more technically accurate "losing ground" then you are welcome to that by all means
I have a feeling their viewer share be about um.. 26%.


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Old 06-28-2008, 10:05 AM   #107 (permalink)
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Media Matters - Fox News contributor Mike Huckabee falsely claimed "not one drop of oil was spilled" during Hurricane Katrina
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:14 PM   #108 (permalink)
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Interestingly, whither Fox is in the news today

Fox News Finds Its Rivals Closing In

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More than bragging rights among the cable-news channels are at stake. Brad Adgate, senior vice president of research at Horizon Media, an ad buyer, said he recently crunched the prime-time Nielsen data for the first half of the year on his own and came away with reservations about Fox’s performance.

“I think that there is some concern there,” Mr. Adgate said. “While they’re still the top-rated network, the gap has closed.”

He added, “What strategy are they going to embark on to rebuild the momentum they had in 2004?”

Still, no one is ready to count out Mr. Ailes, or Fox News.

“The proof is going to be once the political season is over,” Mr. Adgate said. “Can CNN sustain the momentum they have?”

Or, to put it in political terms, he added, “Is this going to have coattails?”
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:24 PM   #109 (permalink)
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They are not claiming bias - all organizations have bias. They are claiming a well documented and outrageous smear campaign that is racist and quite juvenile.
Considering some of the idiotic blather that Moveon.org spews. I think
they have little to complain about.

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Fox is owned by an Aussie...
He's American now. America has wisely not allowed foreign ownership of it's media.
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He's American now. America has wisely not allowed foreign ownership of it's media.
BTW Do people think this is a good thing? I applaud the US about this. Imagine if a German had control of the media of Britain in the 1930s. (Did I Godwin this thread?)
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Considering some of the idiotic blather that Moveon.org spews. I think
they have little to complain about.

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Please, by all means, back that up - what "idiotic blather" of theirs rises to the level of a news joking about killing a presidential candidate or labelling a gesture "a terrorist fist jab", for example?
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BTW Do people think this is a good thing? I applaud the US about this. Imagine if a German had control of the media of Britain in the 1930s. (Did I Godwin this thread?)
I think it is a good thing, though I do wish there were additional limits on how much a company can own. With all of these megacorporations owing huge swaths of the media, it makes unbiased coverage harder and harder to find, and the line between news and press releases blur even further.
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i no longer watch the (um, mainstream?) news, no matter what the channel. i get my weather reports online, which tend to be far more accurate. i get a lot of my news here on this board.

the only other channel i rely on for current events is this:

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i don't know how many of you have access to this channel, but all of it is completely user created. (even most of the commercials.) you can post videos comments on the stories, some of which end up being broadcast.

it's a really cool deal. puts the news back into the hands of the people. (i like it, anyway. ) covers a whole range of thoughts on any number of topics.
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Please, by all means, back that up - what "idiotic blather" of theirs rises to the level of a news joking about killing a presidential candidate or labelling a gesture "a terrorist fist jab", for example?
Keep feeding the meme, Cris. In all those videos I don't see ONE SINGLE actual newscast in that entire litany of stuff you linked. I see O'Reilly (opinion). I see Hannity (idiot opinion). I see E.D. Hill's "Fox and Friends" circus, which is not ostensibly a news broadcast but editorial commentary on the news. The "killing Obama" comment was made by a guest, NOT by Shepherd the Fox interviewer. I see opinion panels and guest opinion-givers. Where's the news casts? I don't see one!

Here's where the myth starts: That all of those excerpted little snippets, pounced on by a couple of liberal attack groups, represent all that is Fox and warrant this sort of ridiculous shit storm.

Fox has a right to their opinion just like MoveOn and Fox Attacks. The people confusing their opinion with NEWS are the radicals, not Fox.

I think what we have here is the same level of rhetoric from the Left that we saw from the Right during the last two elections with all the Michael Moore baloney - anything that doesn't pander to the golden boy of choice is "outrageous and objectionable". It doesn't serve any purpose other than to get a bunch of people pissed off for nothing. But that's what MoveOn is best at doing.

Wake me up when MoveOn starts to represent a single thing that's important to the middleclass American mainstream. Maybe then they'll matter.
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Old 06-29-2008, 02:44 AM   #117 (permalink)
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yea, a news outlet that spends 20 hours a week pushing a war with Iran aren't radical... thats normal.
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Keep feeding the meme, Cris. In all those videos I don't see ONE SINGLE actual newscast in that entire litany of stuff you linked. I see O'Reilly (opinion). I see Hannity (idiot opinion). I see E.D. Hill's "Fox and Friends" circus, which is not ostensibly a news broadcast but editorial commentary on the news. The "killing Obama" comment was made by a guest, NOT by Shepherd the Fox interviewer. I see opinion panels and guest opinion-givers. Where's the news casts? I don't see one!

Here's where the myth starts: That all of those excerpted little snippets, pounced on by a couple of liberal attack groups, represent all that is Fox and warrant this sort of ridiculous shit storm.

Fox has a right to their opinion just like MoveOn and Fox Attacks. The people confusing their opinion with NEWS are the radicals, not Fox.

I think what we have here is the same level of rhetoric from the Left that we saw from the Right during the last two elections with all the Michael Moore baloney - anything that doesn't pander to the golden boy of choice is "outrageous and objectionable". It doesn't serve any purpose other than to get a bunch of people pissed off for nothing. But that's what MoveOn is best at doing.

Wake me up when MoveOn starts to represent a single thing that's important to the middleclass American mainstream. Maybe then they'll matter.
I'm glad you came back to defend your indefensible point, I feared this thread would die a quiet death.
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Old 06-29-2008, 03:42 AM   #119 (permalink)
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Not all of us are willing to be spoon fed liberal trash from every angle of the media these dayss. You -can't- criticize Obama without immediately being branded racists, which I most certainly am not. I dont believe in raising my taxes so people who refuse to work can have the sane standard of living as those of us who do. Its called socialism, and lkast time I looked at the history books it was rather frowned on by the American public. Fox has a lot of commentary type shows, but they also have some good debates, and trust me..none of their stuff is any more inflammatory than what you hear on the big 3 (nBC< CBS< ABC) any more. People who live in glass houses should be careful throwing stones
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