Dnate Mars

The main stream media spoon feeds the viewers what to think. The seem to assume that no one can think for themselves any more.

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Cristiano

Cindy,

Every single incident - calling him Osama, joking about his death, the terrorist fist jab thing, and the baby mama thing have all been widely reported, and even discussed here. You are acting like MoveOn is pulling this out of thin air.

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Dnate Mars

But that isn't what this thread is about, now is it?

Eboni Khan

It does because this is all much ado about nothing, and hypocracy at its finest. Moveon.org is just a foreign influence on US political matters and should be stripped of it 527 status.

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Joshua Nightshade

I assumed you were referring to your links.

I've seen Cris' before. Considering they were pulled directly from Fox news' broadcasts themselves I don't know what you're complaining about.

Io Zeno

Cindy, if FOX "isn't right wing" it may be time for me to move to communist China.

That said, FOX will just use this as more PR for themselves and an opportunity to drag out all the clearly biased ads Moveon has produced. That is the job of Moveon, they are a partisan organization. FOX is propaganda and tabloid trash masquerading as news and has been for years.

Cindy Claveau

No, they're not pulling it out of the air. They're blowing it up out of all proportion in their pursuit of agenda. Assisted liberally (forgive the pun) by leftwingers like LA Times and FoxAttacks.

Those who don't care for Fox don't watch it anyway.

Those who like Fox don't care what MoveOn says.

So what have we learned here? Fox editorializes? There's a headline.

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Joshua Nightshade

Huh??

"MoveOn started in 1998 as an email group, MoveOn.org, created by computer entrepreneurs Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, the married cofounders of Berkeley Systems. They started by passing around a petition asking Congress to "censure President Clinton and move on", as opposed to impeaching him. The petition, passed around by word of mouth, was extremely successful; ultimately, they had half a million signatures.[citation needed] Buoyed by their success, the couple went on to start similar campaigns, including: calling for more arms inspections rather than an invasion of Iraq (see Popular opposition to war on Iraq); the reinstatement of lower limits on arsenic and mercury pollution, and campaign finance reform. Since then, it has raised millions of dollars for many Democratic candidates.[3] In November 2007, a drive spearheaded by MoveOn caused Facebook to change its controversial new "Beacon" program, which notified Facebook users about purchases by people on their friends list."


"Berkeley Systems was a San Francisco Bay Area software company cofounded in 1987 by Wes Boyd and Joan Blades."


"Joan Blades (b. ca. 1956 in Berkeley, California) was the cofounder in 1987 with her husband Wes Boyd of Berkeley Systems, a San Francisco Bay area software company known for marketing the After Dark screensaver and the You Don't Know Jack trivia game. After selling Berkeley Systems in 1997 for $13.8 million, Blades and Boyd founded the liberal political group MoveOn.org."


California is foreign now?

Cindy Claveau

I'm not complaining. I'm speaking my mind, just like you love to do.

Seems to me that MoveOn are the only folks complaining, really. If only rightwingers (or as Richie calls them, "idiots") watch it anyway, what's the harm? The brilliant geniuses who don't watch don't need to worry about it.

Hearing MoveOn complain about Fox is, to me, a bit like a convicted felon complaining because someone stole his wallet. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so stupid.

Joshua Nightshade

Except your analogy is meaningless because one is a biased political action group while the other is a news organization THAT'S OWN MOTTO IS FAIR AND BALANCED.

Vivianne Draper

I would say that a major news network that refers to Obama as Osama is a little more than ado about nothing.

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Cristiano

Let's see, the stuff you pointed out is as follows:

MoveOn.org criticized Guiliani for backing out of participating in the Iraq Study Group in favor of paid speaking gigs, and also criticized General Patraeus for mispresenting the situation in Iraq and keeping the US there even longer.

MoveOn criticized a Democrat who had opposed the war and pushed for a timetable on withdrawl, then supported the surge.

MoveOn is a left leaning political organization that has *shockingly* supported liberal candidates, and outspent the NRA (a singularly focused lobby).

MoveOn went after Facebook's incredibly invasive and controversial beacon ads, which many groups and users protested as a major invasion of privacy.

Hilary Clinton was upset because the group supported Senator Obama as their candidate, not her. She certainly had no problem with the group when they were fighting the impeachment process.

MoveOn wants George Bush to be censured for the intentional misstatements he made regarding the threat in Iraq that led the country to war under false pretenses.

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Ok, so in each case, MoveOn is criticizing a political figure or candidate for something, on various issues, mainly the Iraq war. Now contrast that to FoxNews calling a candidate "Osama", joking about his death, slurring his wife and insinuating they are terrorists. You honestly think they are even comparable political discourse? What was that you were saying about being given credit for intelligence?

Io Zeno

No, what is stupid is FOX calling itself a news station.

Moveon is a clearly partisan group, not a station spouting endless propaganda from it's pundits and "broadcasters" as if it was real news.

I have no love for Moveon but you cannot compare apples with oranges.

The bias that is pushed on FOX is well documented by people who have worked for that station, it is their policy, not some accident.

Eboni Khan

There is only one legitimate incident in all of that and including it with the other silly ones only distracts from how really important it is. The comment "ohh well we would kill them both if we can hehehehe" is serious and worthy of a petition.

The mispronoucing of his name? Seriously? Obama and Osama are close, it is an extremely easy mistake to make. People misspell and mispronounce my name and yours all the time. What does that mean? People are fucking stupid. Do you think the 2 people that purposely misspell my name on this forum (even though it is spelled correctly right in front of their fucking faces) are doing it on purpose because they disagree with my politics?

The terrorist fist jab comment was just dumb, if they want to act like ghetto wonder twins to try and appeal to the kids, then they can. If people are going to make stupid comments on it, they can blame themselves because they invite it.


Michelle Obama started the baby mama/baby daddy bullshit, and the chickens are just coming home to roost. Once you let the Genie out the bottle, you can't complain.

Decadent

"A foreign influence on US political matters". Lawl x 1000.

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Cindy Claveau

You've cited MoveOn's main meat-and-potatoes: attacking conservatives. It's their reason for being. That's far different than picking a few ill-advised broadcast gaffes out of context and claiming that it represents Fox's overall position.

Apples and watermelons.

I can't believe you'd go there. Was that really called for?

Io Zeno

The only thing I agree with you here is that baby momma thing, that is her own damn fault.

Cristiano

I'd go where? You said to be given credit for intelligence - I said the same thing - give the same to me.

Joshua Nightshade

Accidentally mis-stating my name for the one belonging to the individual who caused the death of several thousand innocent people is something beyond accidental.

Referring to a congratulatory gesture as a "terrorist fist jab" and then MAKING NO ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL THAT EVEN MEANS is beyond "it was a stupid gesture so let's associate it with terrorism after we've already referred to him as Osama."

Neither of those things were accidental. They were deliberate and deliberately subtle associations.

Joshua Nightshade

Once again.

MoveOn is not a news program.

No one's claiming it is. Their entire basis for existence is liberalism.

Fox on the other hand:

Io Zeno

I agree and disagree.

They were deliberate but as subtle as a jackhammer, lol.

Io Zeno

I've already joked to friends that between the outright insulting, sexist and racist shit that they have been spewing before the General Election even started, by October Obama will just be known on FOX as "that crazy nigger". They are really off the charts this year.

Asher Bertrand

That's why I'm laughing, the "it's all about me" take on the news.

It isn't all about what to make you think.

It's about staying alive as a business.

Fox has found it can make money catering to what people to the right want to hear. Salon.com has found it can make money (if they are) by giving people on the left what they want to hear.

They are not leading you (the big, global, general "you"); you are leading them.

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Cristiano

Oh come on, that is preposterous. Adding an h to my name or spelling yours with a y is not anywhere in the same league of intentionally calling him Osama to continue to try to associate him with being Muslim, a terrorist, etc. If his last name were Hiller, I doubt them calling him Hitler would be brushed off as a simple misspelling.

Cindy Claveau

Osama's been in the news almost every day for the past 6 years. Daily. Osama, Osama, Osama, Osama... tongues are trained to pronounce the word on sight.

Then suddenly one of the candidates has a name eerily similar. Anyone used to saying "Osama" could easily misspeak and pronounce Obama's name wrong.

Depending on who you are and who you work for, of course, radical leftwingers are going to make a big stink out of your mistake and claim you compared Obama to a known terrorist.

Business as usual in American politics.