Vengence Opus

i love D2D, as well. i have a load of games that i purchased through them. i do really appreciate what they've done in making games easily accessible. it breaks my heart that they are owned by the Emperor of News.

please don't ban be. i don't think i could handle the withdrawals. i would probably end up sitting in a corner, rocking back and forth, crying while listening to Rufus Wainwright at full blast, my tears falling into a mug of cheap wine.

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jacqueline trudeau

Altered. Yes, by mediamatters

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Cindy Claveau

I even used my big crayons in this thread and you STILL insist on painting your own picture of me. Fine, Joshua, ignore the explanations I offered which explained my feelings on Freedom of the Press and the pointlessness of a biased political action group's silly petition against Fox. Ignore the fact that I'm not a Fox viewer. Ignore the fact that Media Matters is hardly unbiased as they've been portrayed here.

Like I said: Some of you only hear what you agree with and believe what you want to believe. And you wonder why this section has such a rep for shouting down anyone who disagrees? ZOMG mob mentality!

Except I won't be shouted down. So fuck off, bucko. You don't impress me a bit.

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Surreal

My comment wasn't directed at you.

Again, I trust what I can verify. I may give more credence to a source over time if they tend to be credible, but I'm not a trusting person when it comes to media, politics, or religion.

I've stated my opinion of Fox several times.

Just because I think Fox is full of shit, doesn't automatically mean I believe anything said about them. Would it surprise me if it was true, no. Do I accept it as gospel truth because one website says so, no.

Joshua Nightshade

Oh yes, at last we've come back to "rep."

Except there isn't any "rep," except by idiots.

(Hint: that's you!)

Cindy Claveau

No U.

Richie Waves

heres one I made earlier with liquify, notice the stretching!

yes its more extream than pox noises laugh, but you get the point, unless you just refuse too.

the other is ste before I edited it:

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Io Zeno

Honestly, I don't need MM to tell me, I can tell with my own eyes and ears what FOX is, lol.

They do however, make it easier to argue the point, with the evidence. If no evidence other than what you remember vaguely in your head of what you saw 3 months ago will suffice, that is hardly more verifiable proof.

jacqueline trudeau

Cindy, put up or STFU. Show us a link to a mm story that includes biased editorial commentary as part of an article.

Surreal

The thing that really bothers me in this thread is the us vs. them dynamic.

If you aren't against Fox, then you must be for Fox.
If you aren't for Media Matters, then you must be against MM.
If you don't agree with <holder of view> then you must be against them.

Isn't that one of the great problems we're having right now in the US? Democrat or Republican, Left or Right, Black or White...

For example, we have a bi-racial candidate running for President, which instead of being a wonderful opportunity to realize that he has a foot firmly in each genetic and cultural camp, seems to be an opportunity for polarized communities to either claim him or reject him by ignoring one half or the other of his parentage.

The majority of my opinions fall squarely in the shades of grey realm. That's why I'm a registered Independent, a moderate voter who votes on issues, not party, and hard to catergorize as holding a dominant view on hot-button issues like abortion, guns, death penalty, gay marriage, etc.

My sense is that makes people nervous. Just like being bi-sexual used to make some folks on either side of the (imagined) sexual orientation divide nervous.

People seem to be more comfortable if they can easily label you and either count you as part of their tribe or as an enemy.

Surreal

Not from my point-of-view. I've already seen with my own eyes that Fox is crap.

That doesn't translate the MM is wonderful for me. They may be. They may not be. I read them regularly and my jury is still out.

jacqueline trudeau

I never read them, I know them by their mission and reputation. They serve a purpose and I will NOT stand by as others slander them by dumping them into the same pile of shit as FoxNews.

Io Zeno

Sometimes that is true, Surreal but sometimes it is not.

I've already said I'm not a big fan of Moveon.

The problem with this kind of argument is that it assumes all sides are equal simply because they are coming from a political viewpoint, left, right whatever.

The media does this all the time, two sides represent a point as if that means that no side is actually correct, it's just a matter of pov.

Sometimes, there is a right and wrong, correct and incorrect, lie and truth situation and I don't care what "side" you are on.

FOX is one of those situations. I wouldn't have an issue with it if it did not portray itself as some sort of news station. If it was nothing more than a conservative POV station, fine.

Most cable news is iffy at best. But it is not so pervasively, consistently prejudiced that you literally can't trust even the news anchor's reporting of the factual information of the day without wondering if they are outright lying, as they have been caught doing.

Cindy Claveau

Very well put. This forum is a good example of why half this country has almost killed the other half in the last two elections. It's stupid. Nobody's allowed to have an opinion if it doesn't agree with me? I've managed to live a long, full life without realizing that. I'm happy to be disabused of my inveterate skepticism and start swallowing whole whatever a bunch of people on an internet forum tells me is true. They noes de troof.



What I find amusing - or it would be if it weren't so serious - is that neither of the candidates has yet engaged in the sort of gutter mudslinging that I see from leftwing blogs and rightwing talk shows. I honestly don't give a flying fuck if Obama's father or stepfather may have been Muslim, who cares? What counts is his character, here and now. And the same for McCain - the notion that a few wingnuts have actually been chipping at his military service makes me sick to my stomach.

None of that is about issues. It's about hyperbole and rhetoric, and the last I checked hyperbole and rhetoric don't set national policy, control taxes or see to the health and education if our citizens. It's just noise. Annoying, overpowering white noise.

This thread is a great example.

Surreal

And just in case anyone continues to miss or misinterpret my opinion...

FOX = SHIT

Clear enough now?

Surreal

Not sure why you're replying to me with the above. The only thing I've said about MM is that I don't have any reason to trust them.

That's not slander... and it's very mild compared to what I've said about Fox.

Cindy Claveau

I'll have to take your word for it, Surreal. I don't feel like going back and watching them, especially in an election year.

Shit or not, when a news media outlet discredits themselves enough, they tend to lose audience. See also: CBS. Fox isn't the first nor will they be the last.

Our lesson for today is that Natural Selection works, and it's not just limited to biological species.

jacqueline trudeau

Ummmm... but someone is contributing to hyperbole and rhetoric even as she says she rejects it. Those "wingnuts" as you put it, is a former 4 star general. Who wasn't "chipping at his military service", but rather questioning whether fighter pilot experience and POW status has any bearing on Presidential preperation. Which is a perfectly valid question to someone who is claiming that it is.

Io Zeno

I have to warn you that if you throw down on Wes this will go nuclear.

Surreal

Of course there is, but since I don't see anyone in this thread saying anything positive about Fox, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

What I see is the automatic assumption that because MM says Fox is shit, that therefore they should be taken as gold ... no analysis, no cross-check... purely on the assumption that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Since there doesn't appear to be a way to verify their story other than "they said it." I'll add it to my 'likely, but not proven fact' list. A lot of things make that list, so MM shouldn't feel lonely.

jacqueline trudeau

That sounds all hyperbolic and rhetorical!

Io Zeno

I don't think it's the job of a critic to say something nice if it isn't warranted, Surreal.

I will say that they do missing white girl stories better than anyone else and devote more time to tabloid stories than any other news station hands down!

Cindy Claveau

No, his statements have questioned whether "riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president""

His Commander in Chief in Bosnia was Clinton, who never served at all. Neither has Obama.

And for the record, McCain hasn't been running around saying "Look at me I'm a hero" like some candidates have in the past. His books were matter-of-fact and even included mea culpas for things he regrets. The only ones I see making it into a big deal are the Dems and shills like Clark. Yes, he's a wingnut, come get me Io!

Surreal

How dare you question my opinion or refuse to join me lock-step in my position!! Who do you think you are, an independent human being with a brain?

I guess I'll just have to scratch you off of my tribe list.

See if you get any goodies after I become Supreme Overlord.
(and I had planned to give you Oklahoma to toy with)

Surreal

Sentence #1 just confused me. Maybe I need more caffiene or small pictures.

Yeah... they are the National Enquirer of TV land. I bet they do a great two-headed goat story. I haven't willing watched them in years.