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Old 12-06-2017, 03:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Donald recognizes Jerusalem as capital of Israel

So the ol' dumbass-in-chief did it again. This time with the stupidest thing he has done thus far in office.

Jerusalem: Trump recognition 'kiss of death' for peace - BBC News

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An expected announcement by President Donald Trump that the US will become the first country to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital has been dubbed a "kiss of death" for the Middle East peace process by the Palestinians.

But an Israeli minister urged other countries to follow the US lead.

Mr Trump, expected to confirm the decision later on Wednesday, described the announcement as "long overdue".

"Many presidents have said they want to do something and they didn't do it."

The president's remarks came ahead of his planned speech in Washington.

Mr Trump will also start the process of moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

The two decisions - which would fulfil a campaign promise and appeal to Mr Trump's right-wing base - risk a heated reaction from US allies in the Muslim world and, potentially, protests and unrest.

They also make it difficult for the US to be seen as a neutral mediator in the Middle East peace process.
"Difficult" is putting it mildly, considering the status of Jerusalem as a holy city in Islam. The US says "no, it's Israel's" and there goes any hope of a two state solution up in smoke. There can be no shared status if it's the capital of one of the states.

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Israel occupied East Jerusalem, previously occupied by Jordan, in the 1967 Middle East war and regards the entire city as its indivisible capital.

The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state, and according to 1993 Israel-Palestinian peace accords, its final status is meant to be discussed in the latter stages of peace talks.

Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem has never been recognised internationally, and until now all countries have maintained their embassies in Tel Aviv.
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So, this decision makes the Zionists pretty happy. At the expense of the rest of the world's feelings towards the US, the security of the Middle East region, a peace process that has been in the works at varying levels of success since 1969, and however many lives will be lost when this inevitably flares up more conflict and potentially causes a war.

Not bad for a thing the shitbag doesn't care about and only did on a whim just because it would make some people he enjoys the praise of say nice things about him.
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This will ignite a powder keg and will not only destroy any opportunities for calm in the Middle East but will most likely assure new acts of war and terrorism. Even Bush had the sense not to do this when he had the chance.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Even Netanyahu is silent about it.
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Of course Israel's government is lauding this. They are probably celebrating it. Good move orange of ass.
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Israel's government has been pushing hard on the settlement garbage, this is absolutely more of what they want. Actual conflict that they don't "initiate" (even though the settlements absolutely initiated things) they'll be all in favor of because it'll give them an excuse to take the land by force.
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Pro tip:when one side publicly thanks you and the other side burns your portrait, you are probably no longer credible as a neutral party in peace negotiations.
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I really wish that a plurality of this country's population wasn't in a death cult trying to bring about the end of the world.
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The row over Jerusalem gives American Jews a tough choice
A chilling read. I promise it's relevant.
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the Israeli prime minister set out his rationale for sacrificing the support of liberal Jews overseas at a recent closed-door meeting with officials. He reportedly told them that non-Orthodox Jews would disappear in “one or two generations” through low birth rates, intermarriage and more general assimilation. Liberal Jews were a “lost cause” in his view, and wedded to a worldview that was incompatible with Israel’s future.
Both on demographic and ideological grounds, he added, Israel should invest in cultivating stronger ties to Orthodox Jews and Christian evangelicals.
Rump & Yahoo are 'two arses in the same underwear" as my Arab friend likes to say. Both apparently hell bent on destroying their nations.
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How Israel is
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Israel is putting in place the final pieces of a Greater Jewish Jerusalem that will require “ethnically cleansing” tens of thousands of Palestinians from a city their families have lived and worked in for generations, human rights groups have warned.
The pace of physical and demographic changes in the city has accelerated dramatically since Israel began building a steel and concrete barrier through the city’s Palestinian neighbourhoods more than decade ago, according to the rights groups and Palestinian researchers.
Israel is preparing to cement these changes in law, they note. Two parliamentary bills with widespread backing among government ministers indicate the contours of Jerusalem’s future.
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I'm so confused, conservatives are both hawkishly pro-Israel, and also largely anti-Semitic? How does that work? Do they plan on deporting Jewish Americans to Israel and then cutting off our support? Making them some kind of Meat-shield / decoy to distract ISIS?
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I'm so confused, conservatives are both hawkishly pro-Israel, and also largely anti-Semitic? How does that work? Do they plan on deporting Jewish Americans to Israel and then cutting off our support? Making them some kind of Meat-shield / decoy to distract ISIS?
Double think.
Ya know, like Rump loves Saudis with money & hates Muslims in general?

Or the same way racist right wing evangelical Christian scum see Jerusalem events as part of the return of Jesus but don't want a Jewish family living next door to them.

Racism doesn't make sense, isn't logical.
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I'm so confused, conservatives are both hawkishly pro-Israel, and also largely anti-Semitic? How does that work? Do they plan on deporting Jewish Americans to Israel and then cutting off our support? Making them some kind of Meat-shield / decoy to distract ISIS?
They are pro-israel in that Jerusalem needs to be controlled by a Jewish State in order for the second coming of christ to happen where everyone good ascends to heaven while the world burns down.

They are anti-semitic in that they are fine with Jews being over there in their own land, but not here in "our" "christian" lands.
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I'm so confused, conservatives are both hawkishly pro-Israel, and also largely anti-Semitic? How does that work? Do they plan on deporting Jewish Americans to Israel and then cutting off our support? Making them some kind of Meat-shield / decoy to distract ISIS?
As I understand it, the existence of Israel is a necessary prerequisite to the End Times, the Rapture, Scarlet Women, Antichrists and all that exciting stuff.

As I recall, two thirds of the Jews in Israel end up getting slaughtered by the Antichrist and his henchpeople, and the survivors eventually convert to Christianity, a scenario would doubtless appeal to anti-Semites.

So I think that explains the apparent contradiction -- the existence of the State of Israel hastens the End Times, gets lots of Jews killed, and those Jews who don't get killed end up as Christians. What's not to like for an anti-Semitic Talebangilical?
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the right-wing is a pretty big tent. evangelicals are one small part of the group. they seem to support israel and the jews simply cos jesus was a jew, without much more thought going into that opinion.

believe me when i tell you there are a large number of people in the right that have nothing but negative things to say about israel and hold the jewish elite responsible for pretty much every bad thing that has happened in the last 100 years.

both seem to generally support this move to set up the usa embassy in jerusalem though, but for very different different reasons.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice Trump starting to slur his words during his announcement? Seriously, you don't even have to look for an example, just go to the end where he says, or is trying to say, "God bless the United States". Did the Healthiest President Who Ever Presidented just have like a mild TIA?
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice Trump starting to slur his words during his announcement? Seriously, you don't even have to look for an example, just go to the end where he says, or is trying to say, "God bless the United States". Did the Healthiest President Who Ever Presidented just have like a mild TIA?
He's literally falling apart: his dentures got loose.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice Trump starting to slur his words during his announcement? Seriously, you don't even have to look for an example, just go to the end where he says, or is trying to say, "God bless the United States". Did the Healthiest President Who Ever Presidented just have like a mild TIA?
Yeah, the daily show had fun with that yesterday. Whatever you do do not use #denturedonald, kay?

I am wondering if he just came from the dentist or something. I can see him not knowing how to pronounce another country but tripping up THAT badly when saying 'united states'?
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice Trump starting to slur his words during his announcement? Seriously, you don't even have to look for an example, just go to the end where he says, or is trying to say, "God bless the United States". Did the Healthiest President Who Ever Presidented just have like a mild TIA?
starts before that, around the 40 mark where he starts slurring out on some of his words. He also kept inhaling deeply through is nose during the whole speech which was annoying as hell and he kept pushing his tongue forward.

Dentures? Dry Mouth? Over Tired? Mild Stroke? (he grabbed the back of the chair quickly with both hands before he sat down and also did sway a bit when he stood up and walked out of the room reminiscent of me when I lose my balance and almost hit a door jamb)...

I have not a clue if any of that is normal because that literally was the first time I ever watched one of his speeches. I can't stand his voice. I usually just read them instead.

Not for nothing but his last tweet is directly after the signing - odd for him. (yes I have put on my tin foil hat)
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The Palmer Report (hardly reliable, I know, but good for a chuckle) suggests that "cotton mouth" is one of the after-effects of a cocaine binge (thus explaining his snuffle, too).
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can't find the tweet to link but someone also mentioned anxiety meds, stress over Mueller report, Alzheimer and there was one other I can't remember.
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It's obvious to me. That poor enunciation is characteristic of pharyngorectal inversion.

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