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Old 12-07-2017, 04:35 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The slurring as well as the slightly wonky signature means he probably had a stroke or it's just part of his dementia. He's an old-ass man who doesn't exercise, doesn't eat healthy, and has a family history of alzheimers. Even without his garbage-ass political views and personal history he's physically unfit for office.
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I don't think it's just dry mouth. I've seen people with terribly dry mouth and it sometimes shows in their speech but not like that.
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I don't think it's just dry mouth. I've seen people with terribly dry mouth and it sometimes shows in their speech but not like that.
It's not, or I don't think it is. Radiotherapy toasted about three-quarters of my saliva glands so I am pretty familiar with the problems associated with a dry mouth.

Quite apart from the fact there's generally plenty you can do to alleviate it, which you certainly would do if you knew you had to give a speech, I'm obviously familiar with the way it affects my speech, and it doesn't cause slurring like that. It causes other speech difficulties but doesn't make me sound like I'm trying to imitate Humphrey Bogart.
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the 6 month waiver thing that all the presidents sign he signed too putting this off for 6 months, saw a post on reddit about it.
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the right-wing is a pretty big tent. evangelicals are one small part of the group. they seem to support israel and the jews simply cos jesus was a jew, without much more thought going into that opinion.
Evangelicals like jews as long as they stay over there.
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the 6 month waiver thing that all the presidents sign he signed too putting this off for 6 months, saw a post on reddit about it.
Yes, there's no US Embassy building in Jerusalem (well, obviously), and I think it's expected to take some 7 or 8 years until one is built. The new one in London has taken 10 years to complete since it was first announced (it should be open early 2018 and we're wondering if #45 will be rash enough to show up in London for the opening or if he'll chicken out).

I'm assuming that, as with London, they'll want to build something new with state-of-the-art anti-terrorist precautions (the London one has a moat!).
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Of course they'll need something new. It takes time to gather up all that fake gold trim and to get the giant T R U M P letters to put on the side.
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the 6 month waiver thing that all the presidents sign he signed too putting this off for 6 months, saw a post on reddit about it.
What waiver?
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Well, maybe he will let the Palestinians also claim Jerusulam as their capital, thereby setting up a division of the city, and forcing them to come to the negotiation table. Because he has the Best advisors, you know. lol
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What waiver?
Basically, your Congress passed a law back in 1995 saying that the US Embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem unless the President signed off a waiver, delaying the implementation of the law for another six months, as has happened at six-monthly intervals ever since.

See the explanation here: Jerusalem Embassy Act.
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:45 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Basically, your Congress passed a law back in 1995 saying that the US Embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem unless the President signed off a waiver, delaying the implementation of the law for another six months, as has happened at six-monthly intervals ever since.

See the explanation here: Jerusalem Embassy Act.
So in other words he might be doing this to have 2 less things to do every year?
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Basically, your Congress passed a law back in 1995 saying that the US Embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem unless the President signed off a waiver, delaying the implementation of the law for another six months, as has happened at six-monthly intervals ever since.

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So in other words he might be doing this to have 2 less things to do every year?
yes and no. Tons of theory's as to why he's doing it but the important thing is that all other Sitting Presidents and every other country out there refused to do by signing the waiver which kept their own country's out of those particular issues surrounding Jerusalem. The waiver was put in place so Presidents had an 'out' to as not own all the civil unrest we are seeing now because of trying to move to Jerusalem while all other countries have theirs in (correct me if I'm wrong) Tel Aviv.

Trump also signed the waiver in June and various reports on the web are saying that he will again sign the waiver in January to stop the move as well. And like in the past, it will be done quietly with no fan fare or announcements for (pick a reason).

Basically, this is Show Boating (pick a reason, we have so many to choose from) by our President and unfortunately....thanks to him, the US owns all the unrest that happens because of it. Which is why no other President before him allowed the waiver to go unsigned or even really re-stated the "Jerusalem is Capital" comments. None of them wanted to own it but I guess Trump enjoys chaos.
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Of course the Republicans has stated Jerusalem as Israels capital, but does the Democrats say:
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While Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations, it should remain the capital of Israel, an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.
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https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#middle-east

Did not the Senate confirm the law of 1995 with a resolution this summer, voted in by 90-0? https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...0%22%5D%7D&r=2

Where the Senate say that Israel has kept Jerusalem open as a free city for all three religions to enter in 50 years and so Jerusalem should be undivided? Reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 and calls upon the President and all United States officials to abide by its provisions?

( Given that English isn't my language, I have read others view on this. )

My own view is that Trump saved this announcement until he needed something to excite the Christian Republican strongholds. And now, the Christian Republicans of Alabama. Even if polls show a seven points lead for Moore, it would be a really hard blow if something should happen the last minute and the Alabama senate chair go to the Democrats.

Declaring as he did, he also received war declarations from Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Shahaab and others. Building up a reason to keep the Travel Ban. "They declared war on us".

So Trump follow up his election campaign, ticking of a promise. He excites his Christian followers, preparing for the Alabama election and the upcoming 2018 elections. He gives the Breitbart stronghold a new thing to gloat about before Christmas. A new thing for Bannon to use in his campaign tours. He triggers the expected threats, burning of American flags and demonstrations. To gain support for a prolonged Travel Ban. Many serious commentators all discuss this, all over the TV news, internet, in all newspapers, and it is all about Donald Trump.

Not bad for a stupid cheeto face with loose dentures?And it is official US policy, if not a policy meant to be acted upon. Beware to use the wording : "Call upon the President to abide..." because Donald Trump will abide, oh yes he will happily abide all that is to his benefit.
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The amusing thing about this issue, well not amusing except in my dark humorous sense, is that General Mattis has actually been quoted in stating that America's biased support of Israel was a direct security risk for his troops every time he was in the field.
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Yes, there's no US Embassy building in Jerusalem (well, obviously), and I think it's expected to take some 7 or 8 years until one is built. The new one in London has taken 10 years to complete since it was first announced (it should be open early 2018 and we're wondering if #45 will be rash enough to show up in London for the opening or if he'll chicken out).

I'm assuming that, as with London, they'll want to build something new with state-of-the-art anti-terrorist precautions (the London one has a moat!).
A moat. In London, England. Whodathunkit.

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This whole Jerusalem bollox (a city Donald probably couldn't locate on the map) stems directly from the right wing evangelicals' juvenile fantasy of a Rapture brought on by the unification of Jerusalem and the death of all non-believers.

That's a fantasy endorsed by Sheldon Adelson for 10s of millions of dollars. And a huge chunk of that evangelical base honestly believe what they read in the fiction series "Left Behind".

For Trump, an Embassy in Jerusalem Is a Political Decision, Not a Diplomatic One

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Under a 1995 law, the president is required to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem unless, citing national security concerns, he signs a waiver, which has to be renewed every six months. The first time he faced that decision, in June, Mr. Trump grudgingly signed it.

At the time, his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who is leading Mr. Trumpís peace initiative, argued that to move the embassy then might strangle the effort before the administration had established relationships in the region.

Mr. Adelson and other pro-Israel backers were deeply frustrated. He pressed Mr. Trump on the issue at a private dinner in October at the White House that included his wife, Miriam, and Mr. Kushner. Mr. Adelson also vented to Stephen K. Bannon, then the presidentís chief strategist, who argued internally for moving the embassy in June.

The Adelsons have long been leading donors to pro-Israel groups and causes, and have forged a close relationship with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. They have used their casino fortune to push the Republican Party and its politicians to embrace that line.
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To press its case with supporters, the White House convened two calls for religious leaders, one on Tuesday night to alert them to the coming announcement and a second, more detailed call on Wednesday.

Most of the participants were from the evangelical Christian community and included Trump allies like Ralph Reed, the founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition; Robert Jeffress, a Dallas pastor who spoke at Mr. Trumpís private inaugural prayer service; and Mike Evans, a Christian Zionist who writes commentary on Middle Eastern issues.
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Florida rally cheers when Republican predicts Trump’s Jerusalem embassy decision may usher in Armageddon

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A conservative politician at President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Pensacola, Florida suggested that the president’s controversial decision to move the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem may usher in the biblical end times.

Republican state Senator Doug Broxson represents the Florida Panhandle in the legislature and gave an introductory speech welcoming President Trump to Florida.

“Now, I don’t know about you, but when I heard about Jerusalem — where the King of Kings [applause] where our soon coming King is coming back to Jerusalem, it is because President Trump declared Jerusalem to be capital of Israel,” Sen. Broxson predicted.

That was the only jaw-dropping line of the speech.
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A Wall Street Journal report explained that evangelical Christians and Trump’s allies in the religious right movement launched a “sustained push,” which “began before he was in office,” and which had the intended effect.

Evangelical leaders have urged supporters to email the White House about moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. They have advocated on television. And since Mr. Trump took office, they have spoken about it frequently with him and other White House officials, according to multiple evangelical leaders close to Mr. Trump.

“While this decision was not made exclusively in response to evangelicals, it would not have been made without the evangelical influence,” said Johnnie Moore, a member of Mr. Trump’s evangelical advisory board…. Mr. Moore said recognizing Jerusalem as the capital has been a frequent topic of conversation when evangelical leaders visit the White House, which under Mr. Trump has been almost daily.
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Presumably Sheldon Adelson doesn't believe in the Evangelicals' end-times nonsense, though.

They like the idea of Jerusalem being recognised as the capital of Israel because it's part of sequence of prophesied events which leads to the construction of the Third Temple at Jerusalem, which is subsequently destroyed, along two-thirds of the world's Jews, by the anti-Christ (or one of his chums), and the surviving Jews convert to Christianity in time for the Second Coming.

I can't imagine Adelson likes that fantasy one bit.
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Presumably Sheldon Adelson doesn't believe in the Evangelicals' end-times nonsense, though.

They like the idea of Jerusalem being recognised as the capital of Israel because it's part of sequence of prophesied events which leads to the construction of the Third Temple at Jerusalem, which is subsequently destroyed, along two-thirds of the world's Jews, by the anti-Christ (or one of his chums), and the surviving Jews convert to Christianity in time for the Second Coming.

I can't imagine Adelson likes that fantasy one bit.
If he doesn't, then he's backing the wrong horse.
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If he doesn't, then he's backing the wrong horse.
I'm confused. I thought that Sheldon Adelson is enthusiastic about the idea for the same reasons Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud party wanted it.

The fact Trump's evangelical Christian supporters support the move for crackpot reasons of their own doesn't have anything to do with the Israeli government's policy, I would have thought. It's a simply a welcome bonus to the Israeli government.
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