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Old 11-21-2017, 12:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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FCC plans total repeal of net neutrality rules

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FCC plans total repeal of net neutrality rules

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Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai will reveal plans to his fellow commissioners on Tuesday to fully dismantle the agency's Obama-era net neutrality regulations, people familiar with the plans said, in a major victory for the telecom industry in the long-running policy debate.
Pai is such a total jerk.
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Please don't blame the entire agency for the actions of three Republican commissioners. The two Democratic commissioners and likely most of the agency staff disagree with this action.

Our best chance is to flip Congress next year, and have them vote Title II status into law for information services. Then it will be out of the hands of the Commissioners. Comments and petitions to the agency are being ignored, and even fraudulent (dead people have apparently sent in comments). So they aren't listening to the people.
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm trying to recall some time when a "major victory for the telecom industry" was good news for anybody except the telecom industry.

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Exactly. I hope little sites like SLU aren't totally screwed.
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Is all of Donnie's cabinet trying to see who can be the worst?
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Exactly. I hope little sites like SLU aren't totally screwed.
That is the big fear. I think we can pretty much guarantee everything like encryption (except maybe https by big banks) is toast.
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Is all of Donnie's cabinet trying to see who can be the worst?
Pretty much. It seems to be the Cheeto-in-Chief's - and his cabinet by proxy - singular goal to wipe away all evidence that a black president ever existed.
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Kinda hard to wipe the memory of millions (even billions if you count the world pop) of people who pass on knowledge to their children. No matter what they do, people will remember Barack Obama, first black President of the United States of America.

The Mississippi isn't the Nile and this isn't Ancient Egypt. Even the Egyptians/Ptolemies couldn't completely obliterate Pharaohs though they tried.
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It's actually even somewhat worse than that:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...utrality-laws/

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In addition to ditching its own net neutrality rules, the Federal Communications Commission also plans to tell state and local governments that they cannot impose local laws regulating broadband service.
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It isn't clear yet exactly how extensive the preemption will be. Preemption would clearly prevent states from imposing net neutrality laws similar to the ones being repealed by the FCC, but it could also prevent state laws related to the privacy of Internet users or other consumer protections. Pai's staff said that states and other localities do not have jurisdiction over broadband because it is an interstate service and that it would subvert federal policy for states and localities to impose their own rules.
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Reddit is doing its part to make people aware of the issue. Most of the threads on the front page of a not logged in user are about it and marked urgent.

(Only in spoiler tags because it is a very tall image)

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Kinda hard to wipe the memory of millions (even billions if you count the world pop) of people who pass on knowledge to their children. No matter what they do, people will remember Barack Obama, first black President of the United States of America.

The Mississippi isn't the Nile and this isn't Ancient Egypt. Even the Egyptians/Ptolemies couldn't completely obliterate Pharaohs though they tried.
You know it digs at him every day that Obama became president BEFORE him. Not only that but people still love him and at this rate it looks like, looking back, everyone will like Nixon more than Donnie. Yes, even his 30% because they will die eventually and their kids will realize what he did to their families.

As to erasure, it is pretty funny (although sad) to watch anyone even try. It is a pretty fundamental fact that you can not erase data from the universe. Yes, sorry anyone who thought deleting a file actually removes it.
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Reddit is doing its part to make people aware of the issue. Most of the threads on the front page of a not logged in user are about it and marked urgent.

(Only in spoiler tags because it is a very tall image)

My fave is 'we need players for the new FCC raid boss'.
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If this does happen, what effect (if any) does it have on people outside the USA who want to watch Netflix or YouTube?
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Bloody wanker Ajit Pai is crowing about it on Twitter, like it's something to be proud of.
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If this does happen, what effect (if any) does it have on people outside the USA who want to watch Netflix or YouTube?
I don't know how their infrastructure works, but I imagine it will have little effect, more so on Netflix. Given how strict content makers are on licensing and Netflix being regional anyway, I imagine they have and use local data centers. IE, Netflix Europe would have local servers and content for Europe, Netflix Austrailia would be local to there.

It also makes sense from a latency perspective.

YouTube may be another story, but more because it may become more expensive for people to upload their own videos, from the US. That's MAY. There is a lot of alarmism very this issue right now. We really don't KNOW what the fallout would be, the whole website based plans thing could happen, but we don't know it will.
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If this does happen, what effect (if any) does it have on people outside the USA who want to watch Netflix or YouTube?
I doubt much of anything right away because the primary impact will be on smaller companies. Especially ones serving US customers.

It most likely will have ripple and delayed effects though. When a major backbone that their traffic flows over merges with a streaming service the company will most likely prioritize their own service no matter how much money netflix and youtube throw at them.

Remember, the network treats censorship (which this effectively is) as damage and routes around it. Nobody has been stupid enough to run an experiment of what would happen if the net decided to route around the entirety of the US though. Probably the closest you can get are WW3 simulations.
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I don't know how their infrastructure works, but I imagine it will have little effect, more so on Netflix. Given how strict content makers are on licensing and Netflix being regional anyway, I imagine they have and use local data centers. IE, Netflix Europe would have local servers and content for Europe, Netflix Austrailia would be local to there.

It also makes sense from a latency perspective.

YouTube may be another story, but more because it may become more expensive for people to upload their own videos, from the US. That's MAY. There is a lot of alarmism very this issue right now. We really don't KNOW what the fallout would be, the whole website based plans thing could happen, but we don't know it will.
The way youtube operates, and most likely netflix, is with scattered datacenters providing content but only one central place (like authorizing logins). The traffic to the central place is the problem, if it slows to a crawl those datacenters around the world are pointless.

I am thinking of things more fundamental to the net that are not well spread out too. Fortunately a lot of things are more geographically spread out now, but services that still have their roots in arpanet may be in trouble.
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The way youtube operates, and most likely netflix, is with scattered datacenters providing content but only one central place (like authorizing logins). The traffic to the central place is the problem, if it slows to a crawl those datacenters around the world are pointless.

I am thinking of things more fundamental to the net that are not well spread out too. Fortunately a lot of things are more geographically spread out now, but services that still have their roots in arpanet may be in trouble.
Yeah I figure YouTube has data centers all over. The main difference I see that I guess wasn't super clear was that YouTube's data centers are more likely to be clones of each other in terms of content while Netflix's regional entities are almost separate companies with different names, since that content is a lot more region locked due to copyright etc.
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When the topic is discussed here in the UK, it's in the context of a rather different regulatory and commercial environment from what you have in the USA. It's certainly the case that the vast majority of people who have access to broadband also have a choice between at three or four major competing suppliers, so whatever the regulations, it would be very dangerous for anyone to start deliberately throttling services.

If that happened -- if, for example, Sky decided to throttle Netflix or Amazon in order to promote its own cable video services -- then its competitors would simply promote the fact they didn't, and watch the subscriptions flow in. As I understand it, though, the US market isn't anything like so competitive, so ISPs don't have to worry so much about people taking their business elsewhere.

When it is discussed here, it's generally in terms of offering particular services on preferential terms. For example, my smartphone carrier, Three.co.uk, offers something called Go Binge, whereby Netflix and some other services don't count against your data allowance, while other video services do. That's apparently contrary to the principle of net neutrality as understood in the USA, though it's legal under British and EU regulations.

Similarly, while it would be unlawful (as well as being commercial suicide) for my cable provider and ISP, Virgin, artificially to throttle -- for example -- Amazon Prime videos to anything less than the 100Mbps download speed that's part of the package I pay for, there's nothing (or, rather, no regulations) to stop them offering me a free speed boost when I'm watching movies I get as part of their cable package.
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Yeah I figure YouTube has data centers all over. The main difference I see that I guess wasn't super clear was that YouTube's data centers are more likely to be clones of each other in terms of content while Netflix's regional entities are almost separate companies with different names, since that content is a lot more region locked due to copyright etc.
Ah, thanks, not being a subscriber to it netflix is a black box to me. Yes, it sounds like they would be less vulnerable if the US site was not responding.
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i imagine there will be allot of fighting when companies start implementing it.

im already curious if they will have a separate video game and steaming packages and which second life would fall under.
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As I understand it, though, the US market isn't anything like so competitive, so ISPs don't have to worry so much about people taking their business elsewhere.
Talk about a massive understatement!

I forget the numbers but you are lucky if you have more than 1 high speed service in your area. Not only that, what we call 'high speed' would be laughed at by many places around the globe.

For example, back in 2010 I had the business tier of speed hooked up. Which was 20 MBPS then and 50 now. Residential was 10 MBPS at the time and I laughed at that. My area of DC (which is hardly a ghetto or anything) finally was able to get 1 gig this year .... if you are willing to pay through the nose to get it. All of this is over a rather antiquated architecture too as that is your theoretical speed over a shared connection: if your neighbor is using a lot of bandwidth you will get less.
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Talk about a massive understatement!

I forget the numbers but you are lucky if you have more than 1 high speed service in your area. Not only that, what we call 'high speed' would be laughed at by many places around the globe.

For example, back in 2010 I had the business tier of speed hooked up. Which was 20 MBPS then and 50 now. Residential was 10 MBPS at the time and I laughed at that. My area of DC (which is hardly a ghetto or anything) finally was able to get 1 gig this year .... if you are willing to pay through the nose to get it. All of this is over a rather antiquated architecture too as that is your theoretical speed over a shared connection: if your neighbor is using a lot of bandwidth you will get less.
Virgin have just upgraded (for free and without being asked) the download speed on my basic cable internet to 100Mbps, which I normally get (even during peak hours) as near as damn it.
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