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Casey Pelous · 11-24-2017, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dakota Tebaldi

Yup; in fact in the TV end of things, the growing ambiguity of the title "producer" has led in the last decade or two to use of the new term "showrunner" to describe the person who actually has the working role.

And to the title "Executive Producer" which, paradoxically enough, usually means "somebody who owns a piece of the action but is in no way an executive in any sense of the word as used in the Real World."

WolfEyes · 11-24-2017, 01:13 AM

Producer is another term for Investor.

**Cindy Claveau** · 11-24-2017, 01:36 PM

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Accused of Raping a Former Student

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Last week, a journalist writing for Medium listed Tyson as a “screen celebrity” who had been accused of “rape.” As a fan of Tyson’s activism and writing, and someone who has met him in person (I also quote him several times in my new book, No Sacred Cows), I decided to delve deeper into the allegation and tell the whole story (as it has been reported from both sides).
Who is she?

The accuser is Tchiya Amet, a “musician, healer, and teacher” who says she studied Galactic Astronomy in the graduate program at the University of Texas in Austin and she wanted to become the first black female astronaut. In a blog post in October 2014, she claimed she was a grad student at the same time Tyson was there, and that he drugged and raped her.

Soda Sullivan · 11-25-2017, 12:35 PM

ugh.

Myf · 11-25-2017, 06:58 PM

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ugh.

I'm not certain that there's a real story here or not.

One the one hand, the circumstantial evidence that DeGrasse Tyson was at UoT at the same time as Amet would seem to pan out. I'm given pause by how little traction this story has had. I heard about it a month ago, even read that same blog post, and so far there's been no pick up that I've seen by any press, even outlets that have a focus on the subject, like Mother Jones and Jezabel.

Yes, part of the whole issue historically speaking is how difficult it is for accusations against powerful men to gain any form of traction. The appearance of this story, however, is post Weinstein. I'm leaning towards the opinion that if there were something substantive to this we'd have heard more and from more sources, by now.

Dakota Tebaldi · 11-25-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Myf

Yes, part of the whole issue historically speaking is how difficult it is for accusations against powerful men to gain any form of traction. The appearance of this story, however, is post Weinstein. I'm leaning towards the opinion that if there were something substantive to this we'd have heard more and from more sources, by now.

This is weirder than weird actually. I'd go as far as saying even if there weren't anything substantive to this, we'd have heard more about it. There were many articles about the allegations against George Takei. But this particular claim - like you I've seen it twice, a short time ago and again now, but it's still just THIS article. Nobody is even picking it up and giving it a look.

Ariane · 11-25-2017, 10:04 PM

Here's a new one I haven't heard yet:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/leah-r...anny-masterson

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Last week, The Daily Beast published a statement from Chrissie Carnell Bixler, one of at least four women who is accusing the actor Danny Masterson of rape.
Bixler, 39, alleges that when she reported her rape to officials at the Church of Scientology, which at the time counted her and Masterson as members, she was “made to feel like I didn’t matter,” and was told that she couldn’t have been raped by a man she was in a relationship with.
“Danny Masterson is a celebrity. He flourishes and prospers in life. You protect that and reward that,” she claims a church ethics officer told her, guiding her to silence.

Soda Sullivan · 11-25-2017, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Myf

I'm not certain that there's a real story here or not.

I really hope there isn't. The problem is that by the end of the week's news cycle it may not matter if there's a real story here or not.

Myf · 11-27-2017, 01:47 AM

Don Burke Sexual Harassment Claims

This one probably won't mean much to the non-Aussie's, but this is our version of the powerful media predator story. It cannot be overstated how much reach Burke had in the eighties and nineties. His show was a national institution, and though his star has faded since, he was a giant of his day.

The thing is though, despite his carefully cultivated "good bloke" persona, these allegations aren't a complete surprise. While these are the first charges of a sexual nature that I'm aware of, even back in his heyday there were stories and rumours of Burke being an egotistical bully who belittled and berated his employees. The idea therefore that with the women around him, his behaviour was predatory, is a complete non-shock.

Dakota Tebaldi · 11-27-2017, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Here's a new one I haven't heard yet:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/leah-r...anny-masterson

Wow, but I was totally NOT expecting to hear that Scientology doesn't treat rape claims seriously!

There's a big surprise - YouTube

Rose Karuna · 11-27-2017, 08:26 AM

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Meanwhile in hotels everywhere, what maids deal with

Yeah, this is horrible but I'm not surprised. My Mom and I used to pair up and do residential housekeeping on weekends to make extra money and OMG some of the stuff that men did while we were there cleaning the house.

From watching porn and masturbating on the bed (or on the toilet) to taking a crap in the bathroom with the door deliberately open. One even chased my Mom around the house with his dick in his hand. My Mom was lucky that I was there and that she was not working alone that time.

Calling the agency that sent us was of no use. They didn't care. In fact, if you complained too much then you didn't get called for jobs. The client was always right. If we refused to go to a particular client, they just sent some other unsuspecting person.

The real issue here is the power imbalance. I really think that a lot of the men who do this kind of stuff are getting off more from the power over their prey than from the sex.

Roxy Couturier · 11-29-2017, 06:05 AM

Matt Lauer was terminated from NBC News this morning after a sexual harassment investigation by the organization. Just prior to their 7am start time.

**shy poster** · 11-29-2017, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Roxy Couturier

Matt Lauer was terminated from NBC News this morning after a sexual harassment investigation by the organization. Just prior to their 7am start time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...cid=spartandhp
who is next?!

Isabeau Imako · 11-29-2017, 12:54 PM

Hours after writing this:

Al Franken should resign? That’s absurd.

Garrison Keillor Is Accused Of 'Inappropriate Behavior'.

Dakota Tebaldi · 11-29-2017, 01:00 PM

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In a statement released Wednesday, the NPR member station says it learned of the allegations in October and has retained an outside law firm to investigate them. That investigation is ongoing.

Coincident timing.

Rose Karuna · 11-29-2017, 01:30 PM

Another group of people affected by sexual harassment and rape. Will they every have a say?

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/21/...ault-violence/

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According to a 2012 Justice Department report, an estimated 200,000-plus people are sexually abused in U.S. detention centers every year, with nearly half of all reported instances citing prison guards or staff as the alleged abuser (these are only the reported cases in a context of notoriously underreported incidents). Only about 10 percent of allegations were even followed by an investigation; only 1 percent of prison staff found to have engaged in sexual misconduct were subjected to criminal conviction.

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“And even if an incarcerated survivor had an opportunity to speak on the record to, say, a Ronan Farrow” — who wrote the New Yorker story about Weinstein — “about his or her plight, it would likely lead to swift and severe retaliation from corrections staff.” He noted that, while journalists and social media platforms should be looking for ways to make incarcerated people’s stories public, “the barriers facing inmates are especially great.”

Talk about an imbalance of power.

Katheryne Helendale · 11-29-2017, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabeau Imako

Garrison Keillor Is Accused Of 'Inappropriate Behavior'.

Garrison Keillor? Of Prairie Home Companion? No way! There is no way he sexually assaulted anyone - at least, not intentionally.

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The radio personality later told the Star Tribune that he was not, in general, physically demonstrative, and that the incident that led to his firing involved touching a woman's bare skin. "I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches," he said. "She recoiled. I apologized."

I wholeheartedly believe him on this. Any inappropriate contact was entirely accidental. I had been listening to A Prairie Home Companion since I was little and my dad listened to it on the radio. Garrison Keillor is a saint! There is no freaking way he would have done anything on purpose. He had nothing but respect for the people he worked with.

I feel heartbroken.

Dakota Tebaldi · 11-29-2017, 09:08 PM

Although it is a tangent to the harassment allegation, I saw this thread about Keillor and it might be worth a quick read:

Twitter

Dakota Tebaldi · 11-29-2017, 10:40 PM

While we're on producers, this one almost slipped under the radar today:

Andrew Kreisberg fired

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The latest person to go down is Andrew Kreisberg, the co-creator and executive producer of The CW superhero shows The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow, and Supergirl, who as of today has officially been fired by the Warner Bros. Television Group because of sexual harassment allegations.

Deadline reports that Kreisberg, who was first accused of sexual harassment and suspended three weeks ago, has now been fired from his duties on all of those superhero shows following an investigation into his behavior. Supergirl star Melissa Benoist tweeted about how people who commit crimes should be held accountable for their actions when Kreisberg was suspended, and now the investigation is complete:

“After a thorough investigation, Warner Bros. Television Group has terminated Andrew Kreisberg’s employment, effective immediately,” the company said in a statement. “We remain committed to providing a safe working environment for our employees and everyone involved in our productions.”

Kreisberg had an “inappropriate” encounter with a young female writer on The Flash, and he was accused of creating a “toxic” and “hostile working environment.” At least one other woman – a director of Arrow and The Flash – came forward to speak out against Kreisberg, describing similarly inappropriate behavior. Good riddance.

Meanwhile, from the same article, about Disney's Lasseter:

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Disturbingly, there seems to be evidence that Disney knew about Lasseter’s behavior. Two sources tell the outlet that Lasseter attended wrap parties with a handler tasked with making sure he engage in any inappropriate conduct with women, and after an Oscar party in 2010 at which Lasseter was seen “passionately kissing a female subordinate,” some “high level discussions” were had about Lasseter’s behavior.

Additionally, Lasseter reportedly had an “obsession with the young character actresses portraying Disney’s Fairies,” a spin-off series of movies, books, and products featuring characters like Tinker Bell. Lasseter insisted that these unnamed actresses be flown to a New York event, where “one Pixar employee became the designated escort” when Lasseter took them out drinking. Another Pixar employee spotted Lasseter groping a female executive, who laughed off the encounter but subsequently left the company.

It’s unclear whether Lasseter – who hasn’t been fired or resigned from his position as the Chief Creative Officer of Pixar Animation Studios, Walt Disney Animation Studios, and DisneyToon Studios – will return to work after his six-month sabbatical, or if these allegations will result in his employment being terminated as well. Disney has been declining to address questions on the record about Lasseter’s conduct.

**Beebo Brink** · 11-30-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Isabeau Imako

Garrison Keillor Is Accused Of 'Inappropriate Behavior'.

As a long-time fan of Garrison Keillor's writing, I was startled to see this news and my immediate reaction to the incident of "back touching" was to think his firing was an over-reaction.

But then I looked closer.

It's Keillor who is putting forward this story of a specific relatively mild incident, not MPR, and it's a story that paints him as the victim of an overzealous management. MPR, on the other hand, has issued a terse statement devoid of details, but reading between the lines I get the distinct feeling that they are acting on more information than Keillor admits. I'm wondering how much of this reticence is MPR's respect for him and consideration for the whistle-blower.

After some reflection, I'm inclined to think that there's a LOT more to this story than Keillor's version. He's a crusty, socially awkward man and it's not that much of a reach to imagine that he's behaved badly in certain circumstances.

Isabeau Imako · 11-30-2017, 01:47 PM

On how we should all let due process (courts, etc) take its course.

Twitter

**Kamilah Hauptmann** · 11-30-2017, 02:43 PM

And now to cross the streams:

Twitter

**Kamilah Hauptmann** · 11-30-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Isabeau Imako

On how we should all let due process (courts, etc) take its course.

https://twitter.com/IjeomaOluo/statu...17987403890688

Oh man. The whole thread:

Twitter

Twitter

Strong thread. Read it all, y'all who haven't.

Soda Sullivan · 11-30-2017, 03:33 PM

Axis of harassment: Hollywood, Washington and the media confront their demons

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“The first thing when we talk about Washington and talk about Hollywood, is they’re two examples where — beyond ‘critical mass’ — it’s been 90 percent white men in power,” said Beauchamp, who began her career in politics and was Gov. Jerry Brown’s press secretary in his first tour in the job four decades ago. “And whenever the balance is that skewed to one group, that power is going to be abused by a subsection of those guys. When you get more women and more people of color in the room, and it’s inclusive, that’s going to open up a lot of eyes.”

Romana · 11-30-2017, 05:35 PM

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