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Old 11-09-2017, 06:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's Louis C.K.'s turn - sexual misconduct charges from 5 women

Report: 5 Women Accuse Louis C.K. of Sexual Misconduct

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Comedian Louis C.K. has been accused of sexual misconduct toward several women, including masturbating in front of them to their horror and embarrassment, according to a report in The New York Times.

Comedians Dana Min Goodman, Abby Schachner, Julia Wolov, Rebecca Corry allege the Emmy-winning star of FX's "Louie" either pleasured himself in front of them, asked to do it or did so over the phone. A fifth woman detailed her allegations against C.K. to the paper but was not identified.
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Some of the writers at Jezebel did several articles on him, is constant masturbation in front of beginner female comedians and threats about speaking up, they have tried for years now for someone to actually accept being quoted on it, cause the rumours where crazy strong for years now.

I’m glad this wave of women talking made some speak up. Finally it’s in the open. I’m now waiting on some of the other comedians who work with his agent and was balls deep in the coverup to say something.
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Didn't we already kind of know this about him?
There's been rumours about his behaviour, but this is the first time that I'm aware of that targets* of his behaviour have spoken publicly.

* - Yes, target isn't the best word, but I'm sick to death of "victim" and the connotations of weakness that come with it.
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* - Yes, target isn't the best word, but I'm sick to death of "victim" and the connotations of weakness that come with it.
Survivor doesn't quite cut it either really but it suffices in most cases.
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A longer piece with more detail on the allegations and the
already occurring outfall

5 Women Accuse Louis C.K. Of Sexual Misconduct

I like C.K.'s show and think he is quite funny and relevant, but this behavior definitely falls into the category of misconduct and harassment. There seems to be a clear and gross patter to his behavior. He asked women to watch him masturbate (gross!) and some said yes and some said no.

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The woman claimed Louis C.K. repeatedly asked her to watch him masturbate. She did what he asked but questioned the behavior, telling the Times, “It was something that I knew was wrong.”

“I think the big piece of why I said yes was because of the culture,” she continued. “He abused his power.”
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Comedian Rebecca Corry told the Times that Louis C.K. asked her if he could masturbate in front of her in 2005, while the two were appearing on a television pilot together. She declined his advances.
If any of this is true, and C.K. appeared to be working on a film addressing his own issues, the difference I see between Weinstein is that Weinstein knew his status and used it almost as a weapon to get his targets to submit. C.K seems to not realize that he is not just, some guy, and his fame can be intimidating and he is putting his targets in a very awkward but also unbalanced situation.

What is sad is that I read this gross story and, with all that has been coming out about this person and that person on an almost daily basis, I was actually relieved that all the women involved were at least adults.
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He could teach lessons to some of the other sexual abusers about things like "contrition". It doesn't excuse him, and he deserves the damage to his career, but he manned up at least.
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He could teach lessons to some of the other sexual abusers about things like "contrition". It doesn't excuse him, and he deserves the damage to his career, but he manned up at least.


This is the best, most sincere and accurate apology I've heard from any guy. "I did this because I could, because I was powerful enough not to have to deal with the consequences, I hurt people and it was wrong."

I hope that brings some measure of peace to the women he grossed out. (I mean really, seriously, ick, ick, who can unsee that?)
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He says he took advantage of the 'admiration' they had for him. I'm not sure he still fully understands completely. He must have known it wasn't okay since he denied the allegations every time they were brought out in the past. I don't know if you remember, but we even had a thread here a while back mentioning the things he was doing.

I'm sure he does feel guilty for the hurt and hardship he has caused (at least it feels genuine to me) but I just don't think he really gets it. It wasn't only about the admiration they had for him. At the very least, he is now owning up to it and apologising instead of continuing to deny. That's refreshing.
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He could teach lessons to some of the other sexual abusers about things like "contrition". It doesn't excuse him, and he deserves the damage to his career, but he manned up at least.
Hard to say if he really manned up and is sorry for his actions or if he is just intelligently handling the PR because denial isn't an option these days. At this point there is a literal 'witch hunt' for celebrity sexual predators. Only time will tell if this current round of sex scandals is going to have lasting positive effect and permanent stigma for those called out, or if it will fade into nearly-forgotten memory like the church sex scandals or sports stars beating their girlfriends. But for now, all things considered, Louis is handling the situation in the best PR way possible, though he does have the benefit of it 'only' being lawsuit-worthy sexual harassment and not jail-time worthy sexual assault. By coming clean with a sincere-sounding admission and apology, he gains some sympathy instead of additional spite and potentially prevents more victims from coming forward.
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Hard to say if he really manned up and is sorry for his actions or if he is just intelligently handling the PR because denial isn't an option these days.
The depth of his apology sounded sincere. That's a lot more than we've gotten from any of the other predators. Time will reveal the truth, though, and in the meantime I tend to believe him. He's still a predator, but I believe his apology.
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I wish he had included a ''I'm so sorry''. Like you say, though, better than most of the others so far.
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I wish he had included a ''I'm so sorry''. Like you say, though, better than most of the others so far.
Essentially he did. Just took a lot of words - the right words.
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I'm sure he does feel guilty for the hurt and hardship he has caused (at least it feels genuine to me) but I just don't think he really gets it. It wasn't only about the admiration they had for him. At the very least, he is now owning up to it and apologising instead of continuing to deny. That's refreshing.
ehm please remember that these stories where circulating since 2015, and he *always* denied it, gaslighting the victims, threatening to blacklist the mediaoutlets who publish it (jezebel).

he's not owning up, he should have done that 2 years ago, he's now just desperately trying to save face.
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ehm please remember that these stories where circulating since 2015, and he *always* denied it, gaslighting the victims, threatening to blacklist the mediaoutlets who publish it (jezebel).

he's not owning up, he should have done that 2 years ago, he's now just desperately trying to save face.
I'm not sure why you cut off half my post where I point out that he has denied it in the past. Leave your ehms to those who think his apology was amazing. Owning up means to admit it, no? I'm certain that the reason that he is owning up to it - because that's what it is - isn't entirely sincere. But, yes, he's doing it only because it has officially come out.
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Fuck that "apology".

It was more him talking about his dick, the women's "admiration" of him and the power that gave him over them than any genuine contrition. It read half as a rehash for gratuitous purposes and half as a whoopsie I'm officially caught.

His manager blacklisted these women. People continued to work with Louis. He actively denied the allegations when they were just gossip in some "feminist rag". Now that it's in a "serious" outlet, he's contrite and apologetic?

Give me several fucking breaks.
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The depth of his apology sounded sincere. That's a lot more than we've gotten from any of the other predators. Time will reveal the truth, though, and in the meantime I tend to believe him. He's still a predator, but I believe his apology.
A sincere well written letter....from a successful writer, producer, director, and editor.

It is possible that he is sincere. He did always strike me as being more grounded than other celebrities. I don't doubt that he understands what he did was wrong and probably grasps most of the reasons why it was wrong, but I'm not entirely convinced that he is sorry for the reasons that he claims.
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Roseanne Barr out Louis CK...sort of. Should she?
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Thanks. I hadn't seen that thread.

I think I was remembering the one where we were talking about Seth Macfarlane at the Oscars? Not sure if he was specifically the subject. Anyhoo...
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It is possible that he is sincere. He did always strike me as being more grounded than other celebrities. I don't doubt that he understands what he did was wrong and probably grasps most of the reasons why it was wrong, but I'm not entirely convinced that he is sorry for the reasons that he claims.
I think that male predation has been so systemic for so many centuries that it's going to take a long time to get to the point where most men can comprehend the reasons that this behavior is wrong and harmful, and further understand how to actually feel contrition and empathy.

Whatever one thinks of CK's apology, it's still a step beyond what we've seen from Trump, Cosby, Weinstein, Moore, etc. Just as we teach a child by encouraging them to work harder on empathy, I think it's counter-productive to chastise CK for what he said. I'm more of a Mom who would say "That's a good step. Now, think some more about it and come back to me with a better effort."
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We can all agree that it's super he apologized. It'd be better if he meant it.
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C.K seems to not realize that he is not just, some guy, and his fame can be intimidating and he is putting his targets in a very awkward but also unbalanced situation.

What is sad is that I read this gross story and, with all that has been coming out about this person and that person on an almost daily basis, I was actually relieved that all the women involved were at least adults.
He seems to have admitted much of the above in his apology that, especially when compared to the press release that Spacey put, comes across as sincere and full of introspection. I think there are two very important factors that probably came into play here ...and that would be CK's two daughters who are now in their mid to lower teens.

I know for some no apology is ever sincere enough and no amount of public flagellation and damage to a carer is enough to suffice. I cant' be one of those people. I read his statement, he seems truly apologetic, not because of being caught, but because he realizes the position he put women in. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and let his future actions speak for themselves. Show me you are sincere. I would love to know, even though it is really none of our business if he took the time to contact the people involved and apologize to them personally.

Now on to George Takai. The train sadly keeps a rolling.
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