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Old 10-30-2017, 11:27 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Heh. When people theorised that Mueller would go after the low-hanging fruit first, they weren't kidding. = Check this out, from page 9 of Papdopoulos' indictment:

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a. For example, on or about June 19, 2016, after several email and Skype exchanges with the Russian MFA Connection, defendant PAPADOPOULOS emailed the High-Ranking Campaign Official, with the subject line "New message from Russia": "The Russian ministry of foreign affairs messaged and said that if Mr. Trump is unable to make it to Russia, if a campaign rep (me or someone else) can make it for meetings? I am willing to make the trip off the record if it's in the interest of Mr. Trump and the campaign to meet specific people."
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Apparently, the Faux News spin doctors have agreed on the narrative: "Mueller Gets His Man: Paul Manafort, Top Aide, Charged With Money Laundering, Other Counts In Russia Collusion Probe"

Look forward to more of the same, trying to declare the investigation basically done with, and whew, see, nothing to do with Trump.
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In a sense it's a shame that Manafort's indictment has nothing to do with Trump, because it allows that narrative to be developed.
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Just want to say that the Manafort/Gates news is big. Bigger than big, maybe. But the real news is the Papadopolous guilty plea.

Former Trump Adviser Pleads Guilty To Lying To FBI About Russia Contacts – Talking Points Memo
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Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty earlier this month to making false statements to FBI agents about his contacts with Russian nationals that continued late into the summer before the 2016 election. The case was unsealed Monday.

Papadopoulos acknowledged in a statement of offense that he lied about those communications during a January 2017 interview with FBI agents, and that he subsequently “impeded the FBI’s ongoing investigation” into potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

According to the statement, Papadopoulos was in regular contact with three individuals he believed to have high-level ties with the Kremlin from the time he came onboard as a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign in March 2016 through at least August of that year, and he regularly informed other members of the Trump campaign about those communications.

He was arrested on July 27 upon landing at Dulles International Airport and has since “met with the Government on numerous occasion to provide information and answer questions,” according to the statement.
He was arrested back in July. He pleaded guilty to the charges against him earlier this month. But you didn't hear about it until now, and a little after the announcement on Manafort and Gates.

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In a sense it's a shame that Manafort's indictment has nothing to do with Trump, because it allows that narrative to be developed.
That narrative is being pushed by Trump's camp. Just wait a while, and see how the story actually goes.
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That narrative is being pushed by Trump's camp. Just wait a while, and see how the story actually goes.
Interesting thread here about how Mueller seems to have played the Trump spin on Manafort's arrest by letting the story develop and then unsealing the Papadopoulos indictment and plea, in which we seem to have Papadopoulos not only confessing to collusion but also providing an electronic paper trail from him to other Republican campaign members.

Thus, after the pro-Trump spinners have had their say about "no evidence of collusion and no evidence of connections to our campaign even if there were any," Mueller says, "Oh, I almost forgot... " and presents them with clear evidence, in the form of Papadopoulos' confession, of both.


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Seth Abramson weighs in with context - as ever, a highly worthwhile thread.

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In a sense it's a shame that Manafort's indictment has nothing to do with Trump, because it allows that narrative to be developed.
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That narrative is being pushed by Trump's camp. Just wait a while, and see how the story actually goes.
Plus they want it both ways, as usual. What Manafort did "years ago" is irrelevant, but what Podesta (read Hillary) supposedly did deserves jail time?

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Plus they want it both ways, as usual. What Manafort did "years ago" is irrelevant, but what Podesta (read Hillary) supposedly did deserves jail time?
Irrelevancy is in regards to how the charges against Manafort and Gates connect to Trump. Note how the immediate vocalization from the President and his stooges this morning was "THERE WAS NO COLLUSION." I doubt very much Trump will have a problem seeing Manafort end up rotting in a prison cell, so long as it keeps him away from one. He demands loyalty, but very rarely gives it.
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Popehat, himself a former federal prosecutor, looks at the day's events:

https://www.popehat.com/2017/10/30/l...es-indictment/

https://www.popehat.com/2017/10/30/l...s-guilty-plea/

Both articles raise the question I've often wondered about, "why does nobody shut up when questioned?"

Pro-tip -- Never, ever, talk to law enforcement without a lawyer present, and if your lawyer advises you not to answer, then don't, at least not until you've had time to consider your position. If you are tempted to try to lie your way out of trouble, don't. An immediate confession is almost always a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing, but if you don't want to go down that route, then don't start inventing stuff. It's too dangerous and almost always makes a bad situation worse.

An old friend of mine, who retired some time ago as a very senior detective having worked his way up from being a beat copper, once told me he loved questioning white-collar criminals "because they're all so effing arrogant and know they're far smarter than a simple copper like me, which makes my job so much easier."
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I love love love that these charges can and are being spun as " See nothing against Trump and no collusion". It will make further charges all the sweeter hearing all the sound bytes replayed.

I figure a combination of three things will happen now; a false sense of security by some players and Trump supporters which will lead to them letting their guard down and will be stung all the harder when more comes out later, at least a few panicked phone calls, texts and emails that will drop new evidence like rats drop poop when they scatter, and at least one person have an oh shit moment and jump on a plea.
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To nobody's great surprise, they've both plead "not guilty":

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/u...-indicted.html

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WASHINGTON — President Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was indicted Monday on charges that he funneled millions of dollars through overseas shell companies and used the money to buy luxury cars, real estate, antiques and expensive suits.

The charges against Mr. Manafort and his longtime associate Rick Gates represent a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over Mr. Trump’s first year in office.

The two men appeared in the Federal District Court in Washington on Monday afternoon and pleaded not guilty to all charges.
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as far as the Mueller investigations will touch Mr Trump, I think that regardless of what may be shown, then at most he may be named as a unindicted co-conspirator. Meaning that while there may be evidence to warrant charges, his presidential authorities precludes them being laid

if he was named as such, and the evidence was substantial, then he probably face impeachment proceedings, even by this Republican-led congress even tho its all lose-lose for them

if he is not named then he will go into the next election campaign with a pretty big advantage, propaganda-wise
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Papadopolous sitting in on Trump's national security meeting:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDo-7SimhUn/

I am betting some glassware is being broken in the Oval Office today.
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Papadopolous sitting in on Trump's national security meeting:

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