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Old 09-30-2017, 10:45 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Donald Trump: The President Shouldn't Tell NFL Teams What to Do?
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:20 PM   #52 (permalink)
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If you ask Europeans how they view America's reverence for things patriotic, they'll probably think we're a bit whacked about it all. After all, not many Europeans hang their flags outside their homes.
After 9/11 all sorts of US flags were everywhere. Quite a few of them flown in such a way that would make anyone who knew the flag code grimace. Anyway, my spouse is in international development (and was working at the world bank at the time) so we hung up the UN flag. Pretty much the same material, placement, and dimensions that neighbors were hanging in their windows (probably a little smaller since many had a size issue it seems) but otherwise the only difference was what graphic was on it.

Do I really need to say which flag the apartment building said had to come down for 'fire safety' while they ignored a few hundred others that just had something different printed on them?

Hey EU folk! I am not with them, ok? Do I need some special bracelet or something?
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:35 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I'm Lakota. I've always understood the standing/pledge of allegiance as submitting to the colonists. I've never said the pledge of allegiance. Once a boy told me that saying it meant you were saying the government owns us (I was five, I believed him). I wouldn't say it in school, and I got punished for it, which just made me more determined NOT to say it. So I stood and mouthed the words without saying them. I still haven't. I also don't stand for the national anthem unless I'm already standing (I was a h.s. cheerleader. We were standing during it, and yes, they played it before every game). Yeah, don't tell me I"m unpatriotic. I am definitely sure of one thing: I am NOT a patriot for America or the United States in any way. I dont' care if you call me un-American. I am un-American. I'm not anti-American, but I have no wish to be American either. I'm Lakota.
Interesting how a lot of people will just ape that gestures are meaningless ..... but get all kinds of upset when you do not do them. For example, when people pray in public (a whole other rant, I know) they expect everyone to bow, even if they are not participating in the prayer. Not me, I view bowing as as a sign of respect so flatly refuse to show respect for a mythical entity I would not hold in regard anyway. I do remain quiet, but that is out of consideration for the people around me who do respect such.
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Hey EU folk! I am not with them, ok? Do I need some special bracelet or something?
Maybe something like this (many variations of this t shirt to choose from out there)

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Old 10-02-2017, 05:16 AM   #55 (permalink)
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That would involve admitting he is president though.
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:15 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I'm sorry to learn that; means much less than I thought it did, then. Respectful? Of the clown who just called the players 'son's of bitches'? Wrong attitude. This isn't an anthem thing now, it's a personal slap in the face from the sleaze in the White House thing.

The Cowboys used a corporate cop-out, seems like.
Just to revisit this - yup. Jones "kneeling with the players" before the anthem and then standing up with locked arms during it, was intended to make it look like he was supporting his players while actually making sure they were not kneeling at the "wrong" time. And just in case anybody doubts that, the Cowboys' owner clarified yesterday that anybody on his team who does kneel during the anthem will not play. (warning, autoplaying video)

And it worked; last night no Cowboys players kneeled.
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Yeah, they're saying that since Rump made this about patriotism the team owners are backtracking.
He shouldn't have the right to just change the meaning of their protest, but the meaning was lost on a lot of people before the Annoying Orange dove in.
Perhaps there's a better way to effect change? Like starting a foundation, lobbying for proper training for police, help for victims? If I made the kind of salary they do, that's how I'd be thinking.
Whatever they choose to do going forward I hope it's something that gets their point across instead of having it hijacked by Rump & co.

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Yeah, they're saying that since Rump made this about patriotism the team owners are backtracking.
That's BS because a week ago there was massive demonstrations with owners giving their blessing after Trump's complaint that the protests disrespected the country.
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He clearly does not know how to respect the flag he insists that football players are disrespecting.

You do NOT talk through Retreat, and it's NOT about you, Trumpelforeskin. I'm not even military, and I even know to stand silently facing the flag as it's lowered.

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Old 10-12-2017, 09:14 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I recommend you liberals read the series of books by Page Smith about U.S. history. We have every reason to be proud of our glorious history. Don't listen to these old crones who try to paint us as criminals and make us feel ashamed of ourselves. Every nation is the product of stolen land, look at what happened in the dark ages.

Also look at the role Christianity played in the advancement of western civilization, if it weren't for the Franks and Iberians we would be speaking Arabic. The crusades were a defensive effort.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:26 PM   #62 (permalink)
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You know, when I see your last name, my mind translates it to Bulbasaur just so I don't start seeing red.

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Old 10-12-2017, 09:35 PM   #63 (permalink)
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You know, when I see your last name, my mind translates it to Bulbasaur just so I don't start seeing red.

Western civilization is at stake my friend, you've been brainwashed. Feels bad man.
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Away for 3 months and back on a Thursday? Something's wrong with the time/space continuum.
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Hardly. It's just that anything you say automatically gets washed away as tripe, because it IS tripe.

I refuse to even quote you, since so many have you on ignore.
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Hardly. It's just that anything you say automatically gets washed away as tripe, because it IS tripe.

I refuse to even quote you, since so many have you on ignore.
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Absolutely. In the military, someone not standing in silence facing the flag during retreat would have gotten a severe ass-chewing.
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It would be a cause for concern if the president or the government demanded players didn't kneel during the anthem, Trump only suggested it was inappropriate. The kind of government you commies want would require it.
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Who cares?

Is it okay to kneel during the playing of the national anthem? yes. Is it wrong to kneel during the playing of the national anthem? yes. Now can we please move on and not let Trump and Shaun Hannity make this some sort of political weird moral fabric issue Trump can use to defeat the left with?
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It would be a cause for concern if the president or the government demanded players didn't kneel during the anthem, Trump only suggested it was inappropriate.
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It would be a cause for concern if the president or the government demanded players didn't kneel during the anthem, Trump only suggested it was inappropriate. The kind of government you commies want would require it.
He actually did more than that. He called for anyone NOT kneeling to be fired. That is coercion and force. That is not a suggestion.

Trump is saying he REQUIRES it. REQUIRES or whoever is not complying with his demands should lose their jobs or worse.

Seriously, pay attention. The person you seem to have a disturbing love affair with is unhinged, and trying to act like a dictator.
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So it's ok to kneel for prayer but not ok to kneel for the national anthem.

It's a wonder the US isn't more fucked up than it already is.
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Who cares?

Is it okay to kneel during the playing of the national anthem? yes. Is it wrong to kneel during the playing of the national anthem? yes. Now can we please move on and not let Trump and Shaun Hannity make this some sort of political weird moral fabric issue Trump can use to defeat the left with?
Maybe my idea of right and wrong is different, but kneeling during the national anthem is not morally wrong. Shooting unarmed people for the crim of being black is, however, morally wrong. Trying to turn this into a petty dicatorship is morally wrong, taking away our first amendment rights is morally wrong.

Kneeling quietly in protest, not wrong.
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