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Old 10-13-2017, 01:04 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Try some psilocybin mushrooms for addiction.
Trust me, it'll help you see through your addiction, and realize how silly it is, also your ego.
And you'll never want to be inebriated after that experience.
Google, "psilocybin to treat addiction".
There's scientific research being done on it, but it's difficult because the gub'mint is deathly afraid of people tripping in the woods while listening to their favorite music.
I never heard of this until you mentioned it, but this is really fascinating.
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:05 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Bill Wilson was the founder of AA. He experimented with LSD.

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Bill was enthusiastic about his experience with LSD; he felt it helped him eliminate barriers erected by the self, or ego, that stand in the way of one’s direct experience of the cosmos and of God. He thought he might have found something that could make a big difference to the lives of many who still suffered.
Bill Wilson's Experience with LSD | AA Agnostica

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Old 10-14-2017, 11:37 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm so glad I can't stand the taste of alcohol.
I couldn't stand the state of alcohol until about 27. Some combination of growing older and being in a really rough spot helped me get used to the taste. There is a lot of research that you are more likely to have a problem with alcohol if you start drinking young, so there are big advantages to starting that late.

...it may sound odd, or like I'm just being contrarian, but I honestly think that using alcohol as a "social lubricant" saved my life. I still don't have any issues with drinking so much that I'm truly drunk and have never had a hang over. I hope to keep it that way.
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I don't think anyone would drink hard liquor, say vodka, just for the taste if it had no effects. Could be wrong though.
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Drinking any alcoholic beverage is an "acquired taste". People who actually like the taste the first time are pretty rare.
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Drinking any alcoholic beverage is an "acquired taste". People who actually like the taste the first time are pretty rare.
All I can say is I've drunk a lot of alcohol in my life and if it didn't give me a buzz I sure wouldn't drink it for the taste.
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I couldn't stand the state of alcohol until about 27. Some combination of growing older and being in a really rough spot helped me get used to the taste. There is a lot of research that you are more likely to have a problem with alcohol if you start drinking young, so there are big advantages to starting that late.

...it may sound odd, or like I'm just being contrarian, but I honestly think that using alcohol as a "social lubricant" saved my life. I still don't have any issues with drinking so much that I'm truly drunk and have never had a hang over. I hope to keep it that way.
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All I can say is I've drunk a lot of alcohol in my life and if it didn't give me a buzz I sure wouldn't drink it for the taste.
My first taste of it was my dad giving me a sip of beer when I was a kid. Automatically HATED the taste and would not try it again until grad school. So now I typically go years between drinks, which ironically to my doctors mean I am a drinker. Not counting grad school (and finishing off the wine coolers left over from it) I can count the times I have had alcohol in my life on one hand.

Ironically, this also helped me to go from vegetarian to vegan. It turns out milk is also an acquired taste (just most people acquire it when they are very young). When trying to change to soy milk I mixed it with dairy milk .... but got the proportions completely wrong. Now I can not stand the smell of the dairy section and can only stand soy milk if it is mixed with a lot of some other flavour.
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My first taste of it was my dad giving me a sip of beer when I was a kid. Automatically HATED the taste and would not try it again until grad school. So now I typically go years between drinks, which ironically to my doctors mean I am a drinker. Not counting grad school (and finishing off the wine coolers left over from it) I can count the times I have had alcohol in my life on one hand.

Ironically, this also helped me to go from vegetarian to vegan. It turns out milk is also an acquired taste (just most people acquire it when they are very young). When trying to change to soy milk I mixed it with dairy milk .... but got the proportions completely wrong. Now I can not stand the smell of the dairy section and can only stand soy milk if it is mixed with a lot of some other flavour.
I have learned the hard way (with my insurance company refusing to pay for a procedure "because of a pre-existing condition") to never, ever tell the doctors that I do anything except eat healthy and exercise. They will take what you tell them and multiply it times 10 and put it in your permanent record.

Now that your record is online it can even affect your work and financial well being (in other words, they can refuse you a loan because of an illness). HIPPA only protects the hospitals, not you. You actually have no medical privacy. (Another rant for another thread).
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Try some psilocybin mushrooms for addiction.
Trust me, it'll help you see through your addiction, and realize how silly it is, also your ego.
And you'll never want to be inebriated after that experience.
Google, "psilocybin to treat addiction".
There's scientific research being done on it, but it's difficult because the gub'mint is deathly afraid of people tripping in the woods while listening to their favorite music.
This may be the WORST advice I have ever seen given in the history of SLU. psilocybin mushrooms can be wonderful, and they can also be a living nightmare depending on your brain chemistry and background.

I say this as someone who spent most of the 2000-2004 experimenting (limitedly) with LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and MDMA and DMA. I have great hope for MDMA as once again taking its place as non controlled medicine. I am also spending years of therapy and medicine trying to undo the damage done to my brain by mushrooms in particular.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:03 PM   #37 (permalink)
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This may be the WORST advice I have ever seen given in the history of SLU. psilocybin mushrooms can be wonderful, and they can also be a living nightmare depending on your brain chemistry and background.

I say this as someone who spent most of the 2000-2004 experimenting (limitedly) with LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and MDMA and DMA. I have great hope for MDMA as once again taking its place as non controlled medicine. I am also spending years of therapy and medicine trying to undo the damage done to my brain by mushrooms in particular.
So you ignored the link to the article I posted, showing the scientific experiments going on regarding addiction, and how it's helping people?
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So you ignored the link to the article I posted, showing the scientific experiments going on regarding addiction, and how it's helping people?
Of course not! It is an interesting article and an interesting idea that has a loooong way to go before anyone should be encouraging an addict (or anyone) to "try" mushrooms. I can present twice as many articles arguing that the general consensus is that the effects of a mushroom experience can bring unknown psychological problems to the surface which could either be good, or a living nightmare. For me, the end result was years of panic attacks, depression, and hallucinations. Ironically, I had quit drinking by then mainly due to Al-Anon and AA and I don't find anything irrational or religious driven in how they work. I really can't make a call there. It indeed my have helped me in not drinking somehow, but it certainly was not worth the trade off.
I do think you and l agree that the FDA needs to lighten up and let these drugs be tested.

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I have learned the hard way (with my insurance company refusing to pay for a procedure "because of a pre-existing condition") to never, ever tell the doctors that I do anything except eat healthy and exercise. They will take what you tell them and multiply it times 10 and put it in your permanent record.

Now that your record is online it can even affect your work and financial well being (in other words, they can refuse you a loan because of an illness). HIPPA only protects the hospitals, not you. You actually have no medical privacy. (Another rant for another thread).
Unfortunately when you have a severe health condition it is in your best interest to tell your doctor everything. Whether you are getting enough sleep, how well you are eating, and so on.
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